Terrorist attack in Paris, large numbers of dead, hostages taken

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  1. hussman

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    Wow so you would fear the lion as it eats you. what you say makes no sense when applied to this situation.
     
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    I'm talking about fearing the fanatics of Islam that want to kill people in Western societies, and not fearing the religion. As Julie pointed out, there are fanatics in other religions including Christianity/Catholic.
     
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    I think Hussman, even you would keep the lion at a distance.

    Funny to have lions as an example, though. While I was in KSA, my favourite reminder to voice my opinions very cautiously was ... 'when you are in the Lions den, you don't punch him in the nose'. But I am not there anymore ...
     
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    I have no idea what you talking about keeping the lion at a distance. I think you should keep working for people and following orders. Your critical thinking and ability to comprehend simple analogies is below satisfactory.
     
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    Hussman, you are probably right. I do have a lot of trouble comprehending your posts :)
     
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    You wouldn't be first ignorant person, and you wont be the last ;)
     
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    Hussman you miss the whole point of fear, it is a human emotion designed to help us recognise danger, once the lion is eating us it is to late to fear it or not, your control of your destiny is out of your hands at that point.
    Sometimes our fear is unfounded but in this case I don't think it is and I strongly distrust those who try to muddy the issue and ridicule those who see the danger. We have a large group of people who are intent on world domination and slavishly follow a belief system that expects them to either convert, enslave or exterminate those that oppose their beliefs.
    Nazis operated under the same system and we were right to fear their uprising as it is our fear that encouraged us to take action.
    Your just telling us to invite the lion into our homes, and trying to tell us our fears of the lion are unfounded and we should respect the lion and maybe even follow it
     
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    and you wont be the 1st person to claim someone is ignorant because they don't fall in line with the official line that Islam isn't the problem.
     
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    Well when your done thinking if it is or isn't unfounded fear, then come back to me. Dont be a fence sitter.

    Where did I say we should invite the lion into our house? You people read what you want to suit your narrative of events. Its quite amazing to see it in practice.

    Respecting the lion means respecting encompasses all aspects of the word respect, including what it can do to you if you get to close, that thing will rip you a new ass hole. Go ask all the Steve Erwin's today if they fear the animals they deal with or respect, and you will find your answer.

    But I guess you would actually have to ask people, and have an open mind, and when they say they respect the lion and not fear it, you can start arguing your Adult-children points about how they should fear the lion.

    The multiple above posters logic is flawed. (inlcudes potala and skyrocket). Its all emotional based.
     
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    Who wants to persecute and revile them...?


    Closing borders isn't persecution...

    Wanting them to stay in their sandpit and sort out their own shitfight isn't reviling them...






    Dropping Portable-Sunshine on the Middle East is the only way forward really, all the sympathisers and apologists can turtle off over there too if they love them so much...
     
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    How'd respecting the animal work out for Steve Irwin...? :D
     
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    in what way have I sat on the fence, I have clearly stated that Islam in in current form is a danger and just like a lion that will kill you if you just let it wonder unfettered in your home I see the current invasion of Europe as just the start of what will be a wider conflict.
    one I am sure you will be on the other side off
    in the mean time you will continue to muddy the water with obtuse statements and attacks on people without any constructive opposing opinion in the hope that you can add to the manipulation of soft western societies that can be manipulated so easily with false cries of victimisation
     
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    I hear Sweden is nice this time of year. The bastion of modern liberalism.

    Apologists wont even touch that with a ten foot pole though. Its all too real for them.
     
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    US foreign policy created the problem ... it is not about others having to love them ... it is about the absence of hate ... if America minded its own business instead of spreading its unique brand of "democracy" then it wouldn't be an issue ...
     
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    How You Were Tricked Into 'Supporting' The Syrian War

    Those who don't understand history are doomed to repeat it, those that do understand are doomed to watch in horror while everyone else repeats it. The run up to overthrowing President Assad of Syria was occurring before The Fifth Column existed. I covered it when I wrote daily for The Anti-Media, and even before then when I wrote for a Canadian outlet called Digital Journal. It began long before that though.

    It started in 2006 when the US decided it wanted to oust Syrian President Assad and started laying the ground work. This was proven by leaked Saudi Arabian intelligence cables hosted on Wikileaks. Julian Assange said of the leaks:

    "That plan was to use a number of different factors to create paranoia within the Syrian government; to push it to overreact, to make it fear there's a coupso in theory it says 'We have a problem with Islamic extremists crossing over the border with Iraq, and we're taking actions against them to take this information and make the Syrian government look weak, the fact that it is dealing with Islamic extremists at all."
    The same year, the Islamic State was just a half-baked insurgent group in Iraq. The group would then migrate to Syria, where it was reinforced by battalions of defecting Free Syrian Army troops who were trained by the United States. Many of those claimed to have ties to the Central Intelligence Agency. The Islamic State truly became a child of the United States.

    In 2009, the United States began secretly funding opposition groups within Syria and even provided $6 million to Barada TV, a UK-based TV channel, to produce propaganda to support "regime change" inside Syria.

    Slowly but surely, the US and its allies put this plan into effect until in March of 2011 spontaneous demonstrations popped up in Syria demanding Assad step down. Of course, Huffington Post UK would later point out that these demonstrations weren't spontaneous at all. They were orchestrated by the Central Intelligence Agency.

    In October of 2013, the US was bombarded by television pundits who advocated airstrikes in Syria. Viewers were engrossed. The television stations that aired these pundits never told their viewers that the people advocating the airstrikes were employed by the companies that made the missiles that were to be used. This was the straw the broke the camel's back, and activist began pressuring DC to deescalate.

    In September of 2014, President Obama openly admitted the plan was for regime change. He boldly stated:

    "We are not going to stabilize Syria under the rule of Assad."
    Throughout this time the West has tried various methods of justifying an invasion. There were claims of chemical weapon attacks perpetrated by Assad, but the only proof offered was the analysis that the weapons might have originated from the Syrian military's storerooms. The average American was smart enough to realize that it's a civil war and that the weapons of all sides came from the Syrian military, except of those "accidentally" dropped to Islamic State forces by the United States. The chemical weapons claim disappeared when the Kurds were hit by chemical weapons. The Kurds were fighting the Islamic State, not Assad. There were scores of unsuccessful airstrikes launched by the West. They accomplished nothing, and the Islamic State continued to destabilize Assad. NATO allies openly attacked those fighting the Islamic State. The plan was working and in June of 2015 the Brookings Institute published its paper on how to reorganize Syria.

    Then suddenly, everything went wrong for the West. Russia announced it was going to begin providing air cover for Assad's forces, and their airstrikes were just a tad more accurate. The Kurds in Iraq had massive successes against the Islamic State and bottled them up in two major cities. This offensive made thousands of Iraqi Kurds available for the fight against the Islamic State in Syria. Everything looked grim. It seemed that almost a decade of work was going to fly out of the window and Assad would remain in power.

    Then a miracle occurred. Islamic State terrorists murdered more than 150 in Paris. The propaganda machine took over. Facebook asked if you wanted to change your profile photo to show solidarity with Paris. It created a social media frenzy and a propagandist's dream. Suddenly, everybody wanted to get even with the Islamic State. Where is the Islamic State? Syria. The West now has its pretext to overthrow Assad. It will happen as a result of fighting the Islamic State in Syria. The average American is simply too stupid to understand that the Islamic State is Assad's enemy. The West has successfully sold people on the idea that removing Assad is somehow benefiting the fight against the Islamic State. And people cheer.

    That sounds crazy? A day after the attack, the US State Department released the statement of the International Syria Support Group. It reads in part:

    "In this respect they affirmed their support for a ceasefire as described above and for a Syrian-led process that will, within a target of six months, establish credible, inclusive and non-sectarian governance, and set a schedule and process for drafting a new constitution. Free and fair elections would be held pursuant to the new constitution within 18 months. These elections must be administered under UN supervision to the satisfaction of the governance and to the highest international standards of transparency and accountability, with all Syrians, including the diaspora, eligible to participate."
    That's right. Assad isn't even out of power yet, but the new US-puppet constitution will be ready within 18 months.

    Recap: The United States planted the seeds of revolt through propaganda, led the demonstrations against Assad, helped arm and train the Islamic State, repeatedly pushed a false narrative to gain a pretext to invade, denied proper air support to those fighting the Islamic State, and will now capitalize on the murders committed by the Islamic State to achieve its goal of ousting Assad. They're so confident of success this time, there's a timeline for the new constitution.

    During all of this, over 300,000 people died and 6 million mhose who don't understand history are doomed to repeat it, those that do understand are doomed to watch in horror while everyone else repeats it. The run up to overthrowing President Assad of Syria was occurring before The Fifth Column existed. I covered it when I wrote daily for The Anti-Media, and even before then when I wrote for a Canadian outlet called Digital Journal. It began long before that though.

    It started in 2006 when the US decided it wanted to oust Syrian President Assad and started laying the ground work. This was proven by leaked Saudi Arabian intelligence cables hosted on Wikileaks. Julian Assange said of the leaks:

    "That plan was to use a number of different factors to create paranoia within the Syrian government; to push it to overreact, to make it fear there's a coupso in theory it says 'We have a problem with Islamic extremists crossing over the border with Iraq, and we're taking actions against them to take this information and make the Syrian government look weak, the fact that it is dealing with Islamic extremists at all."
    The same year, the Islamic State was just a half-baked insurgent group in Iraq. The group would then migrate to Syria, where it was reinforced by battalions of defecting Free Syrian Army troops who were trained by the United States. Many of those claimed to have ties to the Central Intelligence Agency. The Islamic State truly became a child of the United States.

    In 2009, the United States began secretly funding opposition groups within Syria and even provided $6 million to Barada TV, a UK-based TV channel, to produce propaganda to support "regime change" inside Syria.

    Slowly but surely, the US and its allies put this plan into effect until in March of 2011 spontaneous demonstrations popped up in Syria demanding Assad step down. Of course, Huffington Post UK would later point out that these demonstrations weren't spontaneous at all. They were orchestrated by the Central Intelligence Agency.

    In October of 2013, the US was bombarded by television pundits who advocated airstrikes in Syria. Viewers were engrossed. The television stations that aired these pundits never told their viewers that the people advocating the airstrikes were employed by the companies that made the missiles that were to be used. This was the straw the broke the camel's back, and activist began pressuring DC to deescalate.

    In September of 2014, President Obama openly admitted the plan was for regime change. He boldly stated:

    "We are not going to stabilize Syria under the rule of Assad."
    Throughout this time the West has tried various methods of justifying an invasion. There were claims of chemical weapon attacks perpetrated by Assad, but the only proof offered was the analysis that the weapons might have originated from the Syrian military's storerooms. The average American was smart enough to realize that it's a civil war and that the weapons of all sides came from the Syrian military, except of those "accidentally" dropped to Islamic State forces by the United States. The chemical weapons claim disappeared when the Kurds were hit by chemical weapons. The Kurds were fighting the Islamic State, not Assad. There were scores of unsuccessful airstrikes launched by the West. They accomplished nothing, and the Islamic State continued to destabilize Assad. NATO allies openly attacked those fighting the Islamic State. The plan was working and in June of 2015 the Brookings Institute published its paper on how to reorganize Syria.

    Then suddenly, everything went wrong for the West. Russia announced it was going to begin providing air cover for Assad's forces, and their airstrikes were just a tad more accurate. The Kurds in Iraq had massive successes against the Islamic State and bottled them up in two major cities. This offensive made thousands of Iraqi Kurds available for the fight against the Islamic State in Syria. Everything looked grim. It seemed that almost a decade of work was going to fly out of the window and Assad would remain in power.

    Then a miracle occurred. Islamic State terrorists murdered more than 150 in Paris. The propaganda machine took over. Facebook asked if you wanted to change your profile photo to show solidarity with Paris. It created a social media frenzy and a propagandist's dream. Suddenly, everybody wanted to get even with the Islamic State. Where is the Islamic State? Syria. The West now has its pretext to overthrow Assad. It will happen as a result of fighting the Islamic State in Syria. The average American is simply too stupid to understand that the Islamic State is Assad's enemy. The West has successfully sold people on the idea that removing Assad is somehow benefiting the fight against the Islamic State. And people cheer.

    That sounds crazy? A day after the attack, the US State Department released the statement of the International Syria Support Group. It reads in part:

    "In this respect they affirmed their support for a ceasefire as described above and for a Syrian-led process that will, within a target of six months, establish credible, inclusive and non-sectarian governance, and set a schedule and process for drafting a new constitution. Free and fair elections would be held pursuant to the new constitution within 18 months. These elections must be administered under UN supervision to the satisfaction of the governance and to the highest international standards of transparency and accountability, with all Syrians, including the diaspora, eligible to participate."
    That's right. Assad isn't even out of power yet, but the new US-puppet constitution will be ready within 18 months.

    Recap: The United States planted the seeds of revolt through propaganda, led the demonstrations against Assad, helped arm and train the Islamic State, repeatedly pushed a false narrative to gain a pretext to invade, denied proper air support to those fighting the Islamic State, and will now capitalize on the murders committed by the Islamic State to achieve its goal of ousting Assad. They're so confident of success this time, there's a timeline for the new constitution.

    www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-22/how-you-were-tricked-supporting-syrian-war
     
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    hussman would have us believe that fear is useless to us but without fear we would have gone extinct eons ago. And he thinks we should replace "fear" with "respect" is correct. But he fails to see that fear is a necessary emotion and respect is not an emotion.


    "Fear is an emotion induced by a threat perceived by living entities, which causes a change in brain and organ function and ultimately a change in behavior, such as running away, hiding or freezing from traumatic events."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear



    hussman, go tell the fear emotion is useless to all the people in that Paris theater that fled for their lives from those ISIS gunman firing on them. Tell them they should replace fear with respect for those gunmen and see if it makes sense and what they say to you.
     
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    You summarize our Western thinking PERFECTLY.
    When we are "Dropping Portable-Sunshine" and killing their children, husbands and wives it is ANALOGIZED by you and others of your kind.
    When they get the odd attack against us it is "A MAJOR TERROR THREAT AND CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY".
    People suck arse.
    Not just you , but far far to many.
    FUK this KIWI , AUSSIE ,AMERICAN, IRANIAN and BRIT shit what ever happened to being human and being able to go anywhere the hell we want on OUR OWN planet?
    LETS JUST WIPE OUT ALL RELIGIOUS PEOPLE AND START AGAIN .
    No more Christianity , Islam , Judaism and see how that world turns out.
    Just imagine what a wonderful world it would be.
    I honestly believe the only thing that can save us all is contact or invasion by an alien species to show us all we aint that fukn different.
    And that's no joke.
     
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    We are more than savage animals ...

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSMNIIeu4O4[/youtube]
     
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    The world would be much more peaceful and in better shape if all people realized that all gods are imaginary, thus making all religions extinct.

    And I agree with the second thing you said there. How could I not :p
     
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    And if the second thing may not be too pleased with you ... what then ...
     

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