Sydney - People taken hostage in Martin Place right now

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  1. systematic

    systematic Well-Known Member

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    Sydney siege: AFP admits misinforming PM that Lindt cafe gunman Man Haron Monis had firearms licence

    "The Australian Federal Police have taken responsibility for inaccurate information about whether Sydney siege gunman Man Haron Monis had a firearms licence.

    During a media conference on Wednesday Prime Minister Tony Abbott repeatedly said Monis had a gun licence.

    However, New South Wales Police quickly disputed that advice, issuing a statement saying a check of the state's Firearms Registry showed that Monis had not been granted a gun licence."

    more at: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-...ccurate-information-about-gun-licence/5976112
     
  2. Simba

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    Chapter and verse Pls?
    Permited in Islam taqiyya and kitman
    Honor killings also common is Islamic countries
     
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    I agree, and that is true!

    In no way do terror, murder, torture, death and destruction belong to that, nor can they be found in the Qur'an or in some other Islamic religious texts.

    I am NOT religious but people should know that Islamistic terrorists do not represent Islam, just as terrorists of other faiths do not represent the other religions.

    This is the case, for example, in regard to Islamistic terrorism, whereby this Islamism has no relationship whatsoever with actual Islam. It is based, instead, on a wrongly steered and completely degenerated fanaticism.

    Unfortunately, it is the case that, wherever terrorist acts occur, these are immediately associated with Islam, as they also are with other religions, however, and indeed, depending on which religion the terrorists belong to in each instance.

    In the present time it is primarily Islam which is the target of abusive insults from people. This is exactly what occurs when terrorist acts are committed by fanatical Islamists.

    Terrorist Islamists have, however, nothing to do with Islam in the way that they represent it, because truly they are degenerated religious fanatics, who interpret the Qur'an and Islam which results from it, according to their own criminal judgement, in their own fanatical favour, in order to be able to spread boundless murder, killing death and destruction.

    As a result of this wrongdoing by the fanatical Islamistic terrorists, who have succumbed to delusion, their crimes are only too quickly and too willingly brought into association with Islam.

    On one hand, however, this has nothing at all to do with it, and on the other hand, the fanatical, Islamistic terrorists are not genuine Muslims, but are rather only shabby creatures who quite intentionally use Islam as a pretext for their degenerations of their murderous and criminal behaviour.

    In this way Islam, again and again, gets into the headlines of the public media as a result of new terrorist atrocities and crimes, which naturally is also the case with all other religions when terrorist degenerations and crimes are committed in their name.

    At present, however, it is Islam which, because of the fanatical Islamistic believers and through one who succumbed to degenerated religious delusion, is misused and is made the horror of the world.

    Neither the ringleaders of the Islamistic terrorists, nor those who sign up with them and learn terror, nor those who have already been trained as Islamistic terrorists, can claim that they are representatives of Islam.

    Truly, they are serious criminals and can in no way be called Muslims, because, in their fanaticism, they are degenerates and miserable creatures and ill-disposed ones who murder and destroy out of cowardice, and bring the genuine Islamic believers into disrepute all over the world and set the whole world hatefully against them.

    Muslims want to live in peace, freedom, harmony and love, as do all other rational human beings of all peoples and religions. Consequently, for them, terror actions are completely senseless, inappropriate and criminal as well as despising of human beings and life.

    In contrast to that, those of other faiths - primarily an enormous number of Christians and Jews - believe their completely wrong, imagined and often delusion-imprinted opinions to be confirmed in regard to Islam and Muslims as a result of the criminal, Islamistic, terror actions.

    And then, even when criminal terror actions are carried out by Christians or Jews, and so forth, the entire thing is thoughtlessly and hatefully attributed, unjustifiably, to Muslims and Islam.

    In this regard, absolutely no distinction is made, but rather everything is simply mopped up with the same hate-drenched, filthy rag, and is thrown into the same pot of hate.

    Wrong information and misunderstanding in regard to Islam and its believers cloud the senses of reason and understanding of primarily the Christians and Jews and all their manifold sects.

    Also the West (especially the US) and it's media are a lot to blame for people's wrongful belief of Islam and Muslims.
     
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    Someone might want to pass that on to the Muslims...
     
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    Can we also remind priests not to bugger children; elected representatives to actually represent those that elected them; the media to provide relevant and true information; and for Police to "protect and serve" ALL citizens?
     
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    Just so we dont burry this guys lolol

    Lets for arguments sake forget about the two innocent people who were killed because of a terrorist act and the fact that our useless government is engaging in a cover up because they know darn well they can't protect its citizen againt these lone terrorist attacks.

    Lets consider tolly's bleeding hearts premise of always painting muslims as victims of intolerance and discrimination.

    So guys, in all seriousness, lets look at the Islam and its victims.........Its victims are,

    The women who are born into this ideology that have absolutely no hope of escape. From the moment they are born they are brainwashed intimidated and oppressed to accept that what the males of their families say must be obeyed. If it is not they will be beaten......That is a fact......

    The men who are born into this ideology from the moment they are born are brainwashed and intimidated into accepting that what their family unit and social networks say must be followed. If it is not the brothers will put you on the right path........

    The entire ideology is based on oppression and if we don't help them they are lost.
    The women cant/won't stand up. The men like the domination of it so the oppressive cycle continues.

    People like Tolly and his bros will cry discrimination but it's far from it......For many, particularly the women, its the principal of the Stockholm syndrome and we are all ignoring the elephant in the room.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

    Ignoring this is to turn away from the oppression that Islam is in our own country!

    The women of Islam are crying out for our help and we are turning away from them.......

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oVoLqjaKiw

    This video is not a "one off". It is representive of Islam and anyone who doubts this should watch this one

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYAcLudBbhg

    This is not isolated.....the fact that women are not allowed in mosques, in this country shows that what is in the above video are the facts despite what they say....................This is truth!
     
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    Enforce criminal charges on their criminal acts. Not all Muslims are so oppressive. Do we blame female Muslims for oppression they endure because they are Muslim? Gender equality in religion is behind the times, and the more fundamental the flavour the worse it gets. Most people with faith generally know how to differentiate from the teachings and the teacher. Does liberating a female Muslim require her to renounce her faith? If your priest is outed as a molestor, do we crack down on all Christians? Blaming an entire group for the actions of it's most heinous members is lazy. It's not different to blaming all Americans for what Bush or Obama do.
     
  10. southerncross

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    I think you are generalizing a tad there.

    No, not All Muslims are so oppressive but it would seem that all terrorist threats to this country are Muslim based.

    Some would take this as a racist or bigoted statement but it is simply a fact and another point I would make is that Muslim is not a race.
    Playing the racecard on this issue is being lazy, simply brushing off concerns about immigration to this country as being nothing more than racism is nothing more
    than willfull ignorance. Take a look at the UK, Sweden, France, Germany and think ahead a little as to what Australia might be like in ten or twenty years ?

    http://pamelageller.com/2014/11/mus...orize-55-neighborhoods-police-powerless.html/

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2367/european-muslim-no-go-zones

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ority-communities-launch-justice-systems.html

    http://pamelageller.com/2014/07/fre...e-cars-pillaging-stores-jewish-suburb-2.html/

    People need to face facts, all the bleating of leftards to the contrary and all the putting your heads in the sand only go to show your ignorance of what is occurring on a world wide scale on a daily basis.

    Man Monis with his 16000 odd Facebook followers was a direct result of an immigration policy and soft legal approach backed to the hilt by the likes of Labor and celebrated lefty's like Julian Burnside, we have second generation immigrants financing and fighting in Syria and Iraq alongside or with ISIS, and a growing population of immigrant's that not only hate and despise the culture of the west and our way of life but also seek to impose barbaric beliefs such as sharia law. FFS in some suburb's we even have to have our women cover their bodies at public swimming pools. http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/under-the-coverup-20101008-16c1v.html

    Khaled Sharrouf born and bred here in Australia is a shining example of all that is wrong with this bleeding heart mentality of so called disaffected Muslim youth the world over, that Fker wanted to blow up the Lucas heights nuclear plant. Then he took his young kid on a Jihad.

    Australia needs to wake up, Islam is not a religion of peace, if it was you wouldn't see protestors with signs on Sydneys street's held by kids like this and the rest of the Rable two short years ago
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    Most people are in danger of dying from boredom than terrorism ....
     
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    It is disturbing that whenever an incident like this occurs, the so called "protectors of our culture and way of life" take it upon themselves to inflict retribution on......women.
    That's right. Those big, brave men that protect our land from undesirables, just as there fathers before them looked for "reds under the bed".....beat up women.
    The very same oppressed women that they use in their arguments denouncing Islam.
    This is a reflection of their mentality and intelligence.
     
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    Different strokes for different folks ... others went on a Holy Crusade raping and pillaging ... burning witches at the stake ... or on a stretch of the rack ala' Spanish Inquisition style in the name of "Christianity" .... what to do what to do ...
     
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    The commonly used definition is a credible and persistent threat against a civilian population.

    Forgetting to bring your flag doesn't do much in the credibility stakes and the guy is dead now so there isn't a continuing threat.

    Yes, the guy had political beliefs and yes, they probably had some degree of influence on his mental state but saying it was an act of terrorism is to say it wasn't just some random crazy guy with a gun, and that's a pretty tall ask.

    Random-crazy-guy shootings do happen every now and again, although thankfully not very often. There's no more reason to be terrorized by the prospect than to be terrorized by the possibility you'll get electrocuted by a dodgy kettle plug next time you go to make a cuppa.
     
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    Yeah just a random crazy guy [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD8S115XmRQ[/youtube]
     
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    Crazy situation, I think the thing people do not realise is that in several Middle Eastern countries it is a different way of thinking / culture. Hundreds of years ago the crusades were carried out by westerners due to their way of thinking / culture / interpretation of religion. Some countries / people around the world still think in the same terms.

    I have had a fair bit of interaction with not sure how to put it... People of Muslim faith. What people in Australia would consider crazy behaviour is seen as normal and what we would consider normal is seen as being very weird. Some of it was very funny or I see it that way others would see it as being very weird.

    It is about the interpretation of religion and culture. In Australia having your cousin shoot you a couple of times for shagging his monkey would be seen as very weird and probably shameful as well as being beyond comprehension. In some areas it is like saying I am ducking down to the shops to get milk, it is no big deal because what we consider as being a crazy situation is fairly normal.

    People are looking at issues based on their personal life experience and just do not comprehend how some people think.
     
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    There's been a attack on a newspaper in Paris, France has now raised its terror threat to it's highest level.
    A cartoonist for the paper reported that they said they were members of al qaeda, they asked for journalists by name.
    12 dead.
    They are searching for the gunmen.

    They were confronted by the police? or security? the video is below it's not bloody but violent.
    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-FFx7Xy0Uo[/youtube]
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=85c_1420633406

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...o-cartoonist-was-on-al-Qaeda-wanted-list.html

    The charlie hebdo newspaper is known for being very left wing and mocking all religions.
     
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    Disturbing that they have escaped. At least two police officers in the initial response killed.
     
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    Yeah they switched cars, and now on the news it said that they have 3000 police in pairs searching for them.
     

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