South African parliament passes expropriation law

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  1. bordsilver

    bordsilver Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Yes. And every attempt at imposing Communism has undertaken step 1. Do you disagree?
     
  2. greedy Kobold

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    1) Suddently, we find out you cannot provide any reference on the work/study of Marx,
    where he talks about a race struggle.
    (you claim familarity)

    I provided you with reference on the Marx, where he talks about a class stuggle.
    I gave you a reference on JM, where he talks abour a race opression?

    You united a number of different, states.
    I say it BS, all were and acted differently
     
  3. greedy Kobold

    greedy Kobold Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Nah, let us discuss point by point.
    Steps in the Marxist revolution handbook (as followed in Russia, China, North Korea, Romania, Bulgaria, Ukraine, North Vietnam, Zimbabwe):

    edit2:
    I say these thesis is wrong and every country acted in a set of
    a specific to this country factors.
    Furthermore, the prosses within them were different.

    Questions.

    1) reference on the the handbook
    (you claim familarity with Marx)

    2) Ukraine has nothing do with this ideology,
    they have communist party banned.

    edit
    3)Zimbabwe has nothing comparable with
    the processes in USSR
     
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  4. bordsilver

    bordsilver Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    1. I never claimed that Marx talked about race struggle. That is a misperception made up in your own mind.
    2. Ukraine was part of the USSR
    3. ZAPU was a Communist party aligned with, and funded by, the USSR while ZANU were Maoist/Communist aligned with, and funded by, China.
    4. You dodged the question.
     
  5. greedy Kobold

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    I didn't dodge the question, you are trying to skip a part of your comment because
    you know you wrote a load of crap.
    I am happy to go for the step one, once we finish with your comment.

    We start again
    Steps in the Marxist revolution handbook (as followed in Russia, China, North Korea, Romania, Bulgaria, Ukraine, North Vietnam, Zimbabwe):

    What Marxist revolution handbook are you referencing?
    You united in brackets a number of countries are you impying
    they had the same process?

    How quickly you dodge your ignorance about Ukraine,
    there were 15 republics in USSR.
     
  6. greedy Kobold

    greedy Kobold Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    p.s. any wise comments re decossakation by Bol'shevists?
    or it is your brain fart?
    I just provided a foto of cossaks in WW2 meeting Allies.
     
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    You’re wasting your time bordie
     
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  8. greedy Kobold

    greedy Kobold Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    sure thing, you if your knowledge is
    based on reading popular myths from blogs an msm artciles
     
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    greedy Kobold Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    hehe, bordie surely wastes time, where he found the fart about decossackation? ))

    from the Parade
    250px-KubanCossacks1945.jpg
     
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    bordsilver Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Yeah, and I have paid work I need to be doing. Greedy has the attention span of a goldfish. Acknowledging a post that explicitly addresses their questions and then repeats the same question five minutes later but this time more emphatically because you are apparently "unable to answer their question". Unbelievable.

    Oh, and then implies that Ukraine and Russia were never communist countries because apparently the communist party is now banned or some such nonsense. Did you know that gay people in Australia can get married? Apparently in the Kobold world this means that they always could get married and never had any legal repression? I saw a photo of it.
     
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    Just for clarity greedy can you let us know what your position is? Are you a Marxist or at the very least a fan of Carl Marx?
    God knows we all know what boardsilvers position is with the many threads he has started on it
     
  12. greedy Kobold

    greedy Kobold Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Hi serial, this is quite a personal question.
    Hehe, nah I am not a Marxist.

    Why? his ideas were created and widely aknowledged
    at his time. over 150 years ago.
    Academic-wise there is no class struggle at the moment.

    Simply, there was a toolset useful for a particular evironment.
    The current environment is different.

    However,
    I give Marx a credit for his developments in economics theory.
    Some other ideas, i.e. protection of the rights of workers or rights of children
    are quite agreeable, as his concepts on revolution and development of history.

    Hence, I am of an opinion mr.JM (he sounds as an intellegent man at his debated in SA Parliament)
    is just covering his racism with Marxist ideology.
     
  13. greedy Kobold

    greedy Kobold Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    hehe, what other myths we can get in this topic.
    my fav ones is still about the cossaks.

    borsdiler conviniently forgets to provide any proofs or links
    on the documents, but this is a trend on the forum.
    606827f592d5de2ab3912490eef7ab8b.jpg
     
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    Give Marx credit for his ideologically based, statistically and structurally low resolution economics theory? Every place that had or have his "economic theories" imposed upon it have ended in economic collapse and starvation. Venezuela is a perfect current example.

    Protection of the rights of workers: Same thing. Countries that had Marxist theory applied killed their children and workers by the tens of millions by working them to death and starving them. China under Mao. Russia under Stalin. And now in Socialist Venezuela citizens in the cities are being ordered to collection points for their legally mandated and enforced three month "farm work for the state" experience.

    The civilisations that nurtured and enshrined the protection of children and the rights of workers are of course the Capitalist Western countries which have the most developed and effective trade unions and the strongest child protection laws.
     
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    And you post random photos of Russians as some kind of proof? Of what exactly?

    You are simply using Marxist Critical Theory and Post Modernist argument techniques as a substitute for genuine discourse and discovery. Your techniques are transparent and lead me to believe that my guess about your uni student status is probably correct and that you are parroting your sad old lecturers ideologies from some sad old ideology course ending in "studies". How about returning to the original topic as you have been asked by the OP and go start your own thread to discuss worn out Marxist theory.
     
  16. greedy Kobold

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    That is a pile of crap,

    Stalin got Russia when it was isolated and occupied by several armies.
    US was also there, but quickly retreated.

    Stalin left USSR as one of the most developed countries with nukes and infrustructure.
    The army that defeated the most powerful army of that time.
     
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    lol, i posted it for bordsilver, not for you.
    any person interested in WW2 history will quickly recognise the uniform
    and the name of the divisions.

    You post crap about China starved 70-80 million
    or kulaks genocide, but cannot provide any reference.
    And mean your posts credible.
     
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    greedy Kobold Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    lol, if you wanna try to belittle my comment getting personal
    I can play.

    I think you are just uneducated and lazy person.
    Who reads crap from the blogs and media.

    A person who likes to eat crap he is fed without bothering
    to check any information.

    That you are happily post it here, as some others.

    I provided a number of documents and video on the subject.
     
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    Moved to movie thread. Off Topic.
     
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