South African parliament passes expropriation law

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  1. greedy Kobold

    greedy Kobold Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    I would just refer to the comment I made to bordsilver,
    the notion of capitalism is good and understandable to the most of us.

    However, the 'prosper' some capitalist countries achieved, came also
    at the cost of robbing other or native nations.

    Hence, it is hard to agree with worshipping capitalism as a panacea or way to prosperity,
    I am in favour of balanced approach capitalism+socialism

    Though Marxism did well for Russia and China in its time.

    In SA it is racism, not Marxism

    rt article on the subject
    Taking white-owned land in South Africa: Correcting injustice or tit-for-tat racism?
    https://www.rt.com/news/420203-south-africa-white-land/

    quote:
    AM: Our movement Black First Land First is absolutely clear: a person like the one who is now my opponent, is a foreigner in South Africa and a land thief. Talking about Khoisan, I am Khoisan, he can’t say my surname Mngxitama – he can’t because he is a foreigner. The Khoisan are Africans, like all the Zulus, the Vendas, the Xhosas… all the tribes of this country. White people have in fact massacred and genocided [sic] the Khoisan and they have not paid reparations nor have they acknowledged this. The Khoisan will get land.

    This people do not want to give land to the whole society, they are fighting specifically agains a particular race.
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    A good resource for how many have been murdered by governments is the late Professor Rummel’s research here: https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/welcome.html

    China and Russia take the cake, which makes sense as socialism can only be implemented and maintained by force, but notable mentions go to the Ottomann Empire, the Nazis and of course Pol Pot etc.

    Edit to add: regarding the prosperity achieved, there was some theft of resources, but in the main it was brought about not by plundering other nations resources but by the rise of comparative advantage.

    And as far as SA is concerned, it’s driven by socialist ideals (the redistribution of property by the State) using race and history as an excuse. It will fail because socialism fails.
     
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    Lol I can link a blog too, show me a study published in a peer-reviewed magazine.
    Force is used by any government to protect their interests.

    Old myth are not different from todays hacking, meddling, economy in pieces
    and other stuff from politicians and hype seekers
     
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    ever worked a single day?

    minimum wage, regulated hours, annual leave,
    rights for women came all from socialism.

    tis ole Marx who was one of the of early advocates for all these stuff.
     
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    Do you have no awareness of the history of the 20th century whatsoever or do you have some other agenda here?
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Lol, over 100 peer-reviewed scholarly articles not to mention about 20 published works! I’ll just stick to his blog for a summary of his findings thank you very much, which mind you, is recognised as a significant enough resource that the University of Hawaii Political Science Department will maintain it even after his death*.

    There are links on the website to reviews and criticisms of his work and methods by others and his response to those criticisms if you want to go down that track.

    *Is that an appeal to authority? LMAO :eek::p
     
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    I have awareness, which does not include the common propaganda by western media
    during the cold war and earlier.

    That ghost of communism still scares the uneducated ones.
     
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    No mate they didn’t.

    They emerged because of advances in technology which led to productivity improvements. Basically, as we became more prosperous we could devote more of our time to pondering higher order issues.

    Edit to add: anyway, there’s a capitalism thread somewhere around here but I couldn’t be bother trying to find, where this discussion would be more appropriate, rather than in this thread.
     
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    Can I have the particular articles? Please attached to your message.
    (As I attached the Communits Manifesto)

    I am thrilled to see the studies and methods you mention.
    We can go for the methods, sample sizes and motivation of these works.
     
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    That is naive way of thinking.

    I support another one, covered well by wiki
    Labor rights are a relatively new addition to the modern corpus of human rights. The modern concept of labor rights dates to the 19th century after the creation of labor unions following the industrialization processes. Karl Marx stands out as one of the earliest and most prominent advocates for workers rights. His philosophy and economic theory focused on labor issues and advocates his economic system of socialism, a society which would be ruled by the workers. Many of the social movements for the rights of the workers were associated with groups influenced by Marx such as the socialists and communists. More moderate democratic socialists and social democrats supported worker's interests as well.

    Before Marx workers were treated as slaves/
     
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    Let’s be honest, we really don’t have the time to search and cite primary source documents, much easier and quicker to link to summaries on websites made by single authors or groups.

    So I won’t object to you linking Wikipedia if you don’t object to me linking Mises Institute or The CATO Institute
     
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    I linked and attached the document that Marx was talking about
    class struggle, not race struggles.

    Marxism was used as a label, but none can link his work where he talks
    about race struggles.
    References on the common myths from the cold war propaganda are
    not facts.
     
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    So you cannot back your ideas with facts?
    May be you saw something with your own eyes?
    When and where you were in USSR/Russia?

    I was and in SA, as well.
     
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    Until recently Blacks wasnt allowed to fuck white people. So now that Blacks can fuck whites, whats wrong with art depicting it lol.
     
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    There could be different opinions on that, I was mainly
    interested in the justification/excuses for such things.
     
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    What justification is required, it seems to be hanging in contemporary art exhibition.

    We have Boys High School in Australia, with a statue of preist/monk being blown by a school kid.
     
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    What works well in Australia might not work in other countries, I can understand both
    sides of the conflits.
    Here is what RT says.

    Predictably, the artwork has proven controversial. Earlier this year, activists from the Cape Party, a political formation seeking independence for the Western Cape province, covered up the poster with a banner, saying, "Love thy Neighbour".

    Read more

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    Neo-Nazi posters promoting ‘racial superiority’ surface at South African university
    The Cape Party also filed a lawsuit against the Iziko Gallery, claiming it was tantamount to hate speech and incited racism under the Promotion of Equality and Prevention of Unfair Discrimination Act. It sought 150,000 rand ($11,190) in damages, a restraining order against any more such works and an apology from the gallery.



     
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    Every country seems to have its issues lol. Like the Priests at this school lol.
     

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