South African parliament passes expropriation law

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  1. Shaddam IV

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    China starved 80 million of its own citizens to death during the 60’s and early 70’s. (That number is according to the estimates of modern Chinese scholars). Over 90 percent of Chinese there lived in poverty. Since largely embracing capitalism China now has less than 10 percent of its citizens in that state of poverty and worldwide obesity has now overtaken hunger as the largest social problem. Of course pure socialism is still available if you want that, Venezuela and North Korea are there for everyone to enjoy. I saw a report yesterday that Venezuelans have given up looking for dogs to eat and now just buy canned dog food instead to feed themselves.
     
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    Are you revising history to make the Kulac genocide and subsequent mass starvation disappear from the historical record?
     
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    Reference on the scholars?
    Are they from Mainland or paid by US for the propoganda.

    I see these starved in the Uni every wheek, locals are not even
    close competing at math and stats disciplines.

    I heard such millions about USSR, the majority is just propaganda.
     
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    Any reference on the Kulac genocide?
    Earlier in this topic I provided the reference to the Land Decree.

    Can you link a document that shows how the genocide was planned and executed?
    You just repeating old propagandist mantras.
     
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    Just googled, so we are using the same terms

    genocide
    ˈdʒɛnəsʌɪd/
    noun
    noun: genocide; plural noun: genocides
    1. the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group.
     
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    History never happened. Communism creates prosperity. Ok.
     
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    And if the white South Africans are expelled or killed then no matter what their faults and whatever terrible things ther grandparents did South Africa will become another poverty stricken failed state run by warlords. Until a bigger player steps in and cuts deals with said warlords and takes it over. By then the death toll from starvation will likely be much higher than the Ukraine famine. It will not end well for anyone. Whenever a government desires to “eliminate” a minority group to return to racial purity nothing good results for anyone except of course for whoever comes in after the devastation and takes over and in this case it will be the Chinese communist party who may actually have some of their tactical finger prints on this affair.
     
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    Just as China's progress went backwards when they introduced socialism and destroyed economic freedoms, China's progress occurred when they wound back the level of socialism and allowed more economic freedoms. Ditto Vietnam, Sweden etc.

    No doubt. But none that are driven by deliberate government policy.

    Like what?

    I don't think that I said there was.
     
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    Capitalism creates prosperity? I can a large number of countries, where it is not the case.

    Coming back to SA affairs, the question Marxism or not is principal,
    as it shows what will be the next.

    In SA the idea is about race struggle, not class.
    The interviewed SA politicians talk about the crimes of
    'white', not 'Bourgeois' as per Marx.
     
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    "Capitalism creates prosperity" - I would say that it's more countries with greater economic freedom are more prosperous. So-called "capitalist" countries with low prosperity generally do not have high economic freedom (or are relatively young and do not have much capital).
     
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    Because they adopted free-market (capitalist) economic policies. If they hadn't, they'd still be picking lice out of their hair in rice paddies and dobbing in their neighbours for political favours.

    Such as?

    Fascism is a form of socialism. And I'll just as a bit of interest, there have never been any communist nations. Marx's theories were never implemented to the full extent, it's obvious why, they're a failure. People die of starvation, people get murdered by governments (including for ethnic reasons) or they escape to capitalist countries to live a better life.

    Australia should relax its immigration policy and allow more white South Africans into the country upon humanitarian grounds.
     
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    Nope, they just develop and ajust their policies.
    It would weird for a country to blindly follow the ideas that over 150 years old.

    However, they are governed by Communist parties.
     
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    It is a point that could be agreeable, however you forget to mention.

    That prosperity of some 'ideal capitalistic models' is built
    on centuries of robbing other or native nations.
     
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    Let me guess. You are a university student activist majoring in a course that ends in the word "studies". :p
     
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    Hehe, nice try.
    We decided to take it to a personal level.

    No, that is not correct.
    Any other way to belittle my comments?

    let me guess, you have no slightest idea
    about the point you are talking and the Kulak genocide or Chinese scholar articles about
    "China starved 80 million of its own citizens to death during the 60’s and early 70’s.
    is from the Web.
    (Care provide the references, if not?)
     
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    I wouldn’t classify most of those as capitalist because they’re not economically free. Too much political interference and no recognition of property rights, which makes capitalism next to impossible to implement as property rights are fundamental to it.
     
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    The world need more benevolent leaders in developing countries, willing to spread crumbs like China, Russia and America to keep the population placated.
    Shit happens when they try to keep 90% for themselves, when just requisitioning 10% of nations wealth is enough.
     

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