South African parliament passes expropriation law

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  1. mmm....shiney!

    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    The SA parliament has passed legislation approving the confiscation of land from whites and giving it to blacks.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/econ...n/news-story/a8a81155995b1adc1c399d3576c4c0bc

    So a timeline of "justice" according to the ANC et al may look something like this.

    1. Colonisation
    2. Violation
    3. Exclusion
    3. Agitation
    4. Education
    5. Recognition
    6. Agitation
    7. Exclusion
    8. Violation
    9. Colonisation

    SA's economy is going to experience a similar regression to its property rights.
     
  2. JulieW

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    The silence around the White South African genocide is appalling.
     
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    sammy Active Member Silver Stacker

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    Didn’t Zimbabwe try this a few years before their economy went down the gutter?
     
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    Mr Malema has been leading calls for land confiscation, forcing the ANC to follow suit out of fear of losing the support of poorer black voters. In 2016, he told supporters he was “not calling for the slaughter of white people‚ at least for now”.

    Civil rights groups have accused the EFF and ANC of inciting an ongoing spate of attacks on white farmers characterised by extreme brutality, rape and torture — last year, more than 70 people were killed in more than 340 such attacks

    ferk you wouldnt want to be a white farmer at the moment
     
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    THIS is why their economy went down the gutter!
     
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    Steps in the Marxist revolution handbook (as followed in Russia, China, North Korea, Romania, Bulgaria, Ukraine, North Vietnam, Zimbabwe):
    1. Expropriation without compensation (particularly of farmers)
    2. Famine
    3. Capital controls
    4. Price controls
    5. ? <possibly involves underpants>
    6. ?
    7. Utopia
     
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    Yep, I never seen any mention of it in any of our MSMs yet, and it been going on for while now.
     
  8. greedy Kobold

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    What Marxist handbook are you referring to?
    There is no revolution in SA.
     
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    greedy Kobold Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    As Russia was mentioned.
    Here is the document.

    The Decree on Land, written by Vladimir Lenin, was passed by the Second Congress of Soviets of Workers', Soldiers', and Peasants' Deputies on 26 October 1917,
    following the success of the October Revolution.
    It decreed an abolition of private property, and the redistribution of the landed estates amongst the peasantry.
    According to the Decree on Land, the peasants had seized the lands of the nobility, monasteries and Church.
    This decree was followed on February 19, 1918, by a decree of the Central Executive Committee of the Congress of Soviets,
    "The Fundamental Law of Land Socialization".[1] These decrees were superseded by the 1922 Land Code.

    (1) Private ownership of land shall be abolished forever; land shall not be sold, purchased, leased, mortgaged, or otherwise alienated.
    All land, whether state, crown, monastery, church, factory, entailed, private, public, peasant, etc., shall be confiscated without compensation
    and become the property of the whole people, and pass into the use of all those who cultivate it.
    Persons who suffer by this property revolution shall be deemed to be entitled to public support only for the period necessary for adaptation to the new conditions of life.
    source: wiki

    What happens in SA has very little to do with left ideas or
    Marxism.
    Tis good old racism, as practiced in radical right movements.



     
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    And good old tribal cultures.
     
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    Who gets the expropriated land?
    Who raised the initial bill?
     
  12. greedy Kobold

    greedy Kobold Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    MSM can place any label.
    Since you pose yourself as an educated person and claim
    Steps in the Marxist revolution handbook (as followed in Russia, China, North Korea, Romania, Bulgaria, Ukraine, North Vietnam, Zimbabwe):

    can you provide a link or reference on Marx or such handbook?
     
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    And in the history of people aiming for a Marxist outcome, I'm pretty sure racism was abundantly evident in most cases. So too was expropriation of farmers land (indeed they are typically a core part of the first groups to be targeted once sufficient control of the institutions of violence has been obtained).
     
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  15. greedy Kobold

    greedy Kobold Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    So you cannot provide any link on what you call
    Steps in the Marxist revolution handbook (as followed in Russia, China, North Korea, Romania, Bulgaria, Ukraine, North Vietnam, Zimbabwe):
    , because there is none.

    I guess, some guys in SA as poorly educated as you are.

    Marx was talking about class struggle, not race struggle.
    "Communist Manifesto" 1848

    I. Bourgeois and Proletarians*

    The history of all hitherto existing society† is the history of class struggles.

    Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master‡ and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes.

    In the earlier epochs of history, we find almost everywhere a complicated arrangement of society into various orders, a manifold gradation of social rank. In ancient Rome we have patricians, knights, plebeians, slaves; in the Middle Ages, feudal lords, vassals, guild-masters, journeymen, apprentices, serfs; in almost all of these classes, again, subordinate gradations.

    The modern bourgeois society that has sprouted from the ruins of feudal society has not done away with class antagonisms. It has but established new classes, new conditions of oppression, new forms of struggle in place of the old ones.

    * By bourgeoisie is meant the class of modern capitalists, owners of the means of social production and employers of wage labour. By proletariat, the class of modern wage labourers who, having no means of production of their own, are reduced to selling their labour power in order to live. [Engels, 1888 English edition]

    † That is, all written history. In 1847, the pre-history of society, the social organisation existing previous to recorded history, all but unknown. Since then, August von Haxthausen (1792-1866) discovered common ownership of land in Russia, Georg Ludwig von Maurer proved it to be the social foundation from which all Teutonic races started in history, and, by and by, village communities were found to be, or to have been, the primitive form of society everywhere from India to Ireland. The inner organisation of this primitive communistic society was laid bare, in its typical form, by Lewis Henry Morgan's (1818-1861) crowning discovery of the true nature of the gens and its relation to the tribe. With the dissolution of the primeval communities, society begins to be differentiated into separate and finally antagonistic classes. I have attempted to retrace this dissolution in The Origin of the Family, Private Property, and the State, second edition, Stuttgart, 1886. [Engels, 1888 English Edition and 1890 German Edition (with the last sentence omitted)]

    ‡ Guild-master, that is, a full member of a guild, a master within, not a head of a guild. [Engels, 1888 English Edition]


    Our epoch, the epoch of the bourgeoisie, possesses, however, this distinct feature: it has simplified class antagonisms.
    Society as a whole is more and more splitting up into two great hostile camps, into two great classes directly facing each other – Bourgeoisie and Proletariat.
    From the serfs of the Middle Ages sprang the chartered burghers of the earliest towns. From these burgesses the first elements of the bourgeoisie were developed.


    there is more (see attachment)

    It surely, convenient to see lefties and communists everywhere,
    but that won't solve the problems of nazis.
     

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    Since it is discussed, it might be interesting to
    listen to Julius Malema himself


    NB quote from the guy 02:10
    "Who are the opressed?
    The blacks in general and africans in particular."

    12:20 Speach against the motion and amendments
    from opponents (Democratic Alliance)
     
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    Yes. In case my pop-culture reference to "Underpants, ?, Utopia" didn't make it clear, I was being mildly sarcastic and was not quoting an official handbook.

    Yes, I know (I have read his works). But if you look at the people who tried implement/achieve Marx's brain farts for self-flagellating Bourgeois babies there has sometimes also been a strong racism-driven purge at the same time (easier to use as scapegoats, I presume). Inevitably as the economic declines, more and more groups are singled out as scapegoats until everybody is a scapegoat and the system becomes genocidal.

    National Socialism is not significantly different to "lefties and communists". The fact that the word includes "Socialism" should provide a clue. People often get confused because the factories were nominally still held in private hands. However, as scholars have pointed out, this was in name only. The German government dictated what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners. It was de facto government ownership. The so-called "Owners" were simply replaced without compensation if they refused to cooperate with the directions.

    Socialism is socialism. Typically totalitarian. Typically brutal. Typically offering grand promises of a better tomorrow. Typically resulting in shortages of everything (except weapons for the government agents to shoot you with). Typically praised by well-intentioned, starry-eyed people who believe they have a bigger claim to morality than the heartless bourgeois, and who believe they can "fix things" that are way, way beyond their comprehension.
     
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    At the moment both China and Vietnam are following socialist idea.
    China is the world economy #1.
    their progess is amazing.

    I can provide plenty of example, where people starve in capitalistic
    states.

    Talking back to SA, there is no revolution an no Marxism or provide a reference on the work
    (since you claim familarity)

    You may want to re-read some, as there is radical different between nazis and commies.

    There is no racism within communist manifest, at all.

    none is claimed to be inferior due to heritage, race or skin-colour.
     
  19. Shaddam IV

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    Throw out or kill the experienced farmers and hand the farms over to people with no idea what they are doing. When revolutionaries did that in the Ukraine 5-6 million people served to death within 3 years. I suspect that the famine in South Africa will be an order of magnitude larger.
     
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    There was no revolution in Ukraine.
    (no change of socio-economic formation)

    The current President is a minister of
    the form government.

    There was just a coup and bordsilver is misinformed,
    communist party is officially banned in Ukraine.
     

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