Discussion in 'General Precious Metals Discussion' started by mmm....shiney!, Feb 1, 2021.
I thought I'd read that they own a $#it ton of silver ? That's cool, I'm getting use to being wrong
JPM stores/holds a lot of silver for other people
Much like 100% of gold at perth mint belongs to its paper owners, mines (creditor x day term), government and dealers (yet to recieve its gold, though paid upfront) if fact perth mint actual outright ownership of gold might be a fraction of its gross assets but PM will state it has X tons of gold
That's news to me. I was under the impression that shorts are perfectly fine but naked shorts were not. (Even though naked shorts are part of the system)
Gamestop is a perfect example of traders naked shorting shares that they do not possess and have no intention to recover/balance later in time. (since they expected the company to fail)
Yes it's generally not legal but apparently there are numerous exemptions and reliefs (of course there are)...
There is three main kinds of shorting
1. Short Hedge -> Shorting share that entity owns
2. Shorting shares that one has borrowed
3a. Illegal Naked shorting, if the entity has not borrowed the shares or are long on stocks.
3b. Legal Naked selling - writing both puts and call option that negate each other but offers a spread.
In the case of 3a. Naked short selling of stocks are impossible to police in real-time but if forensic search is performed on trades which are ALL time stamped, it is easy as A B C to find. Only a mad person or entity will intentionally have billions of dollars of naked shorts over weeks or months especially if they don't want to be sued and put in jail, if they make billions of the trade of a tiny stock like GME. However a billion on Tesla or Amazon might not be noticed.
In the case of 3b. Looking at one side of options ledger in play, can lead to uninformed to sum the options and state naked shorting is occuring. This involves writing than selling calls and/or buying puts where the numbers of shares cancels out the need to own or borrow shares but can win or lose on the movement of the spread. This type of option play are usually "cancelled" closed out well before expiration dates and is only feasible in the most liquid stocks..
You are both correct.
I maybe should have used the term not always illegal.
Where there are exemptions, there is a way to make it mainstream.
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