Russian opposition leader shot down near Kremlin

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  1. phrenzy

    phrenzy In Memoriam - July 2017 Silver Stacker

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    Obviously they are running low on polonium in Russia now days...he was organising a really against Russian involvement in Ukraine and was promising to release evidence of Russian involvement there.

    http://m.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31669061
     
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    He could have been killed by a foreign covert agency to make Putin look bad.
     
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    Sounds like suicide to me
     
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    Googling now: how to shoot myself in the back 4 times
     
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    Dunnoh why they had to rub him out... recent polling found that Vlad is favoured by 116% of the population
     
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  7. phrenzy

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    Worked for Yuschenko. Interesting though that it seems to be Ukrainians constantly poisoning and shooting themselves to gain popularity. The Russians seem to be above thar sort of self serving approach to politics though...unless your a journalist trying to expose corruption, they're always poisoning themselves to get their story out, if only they weren't so silly and printed the stories before they poisoned/shot/ran themselves over they might have been more successful.
     
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    It may sound pro-Putin but Nemtcov was not popular in Russia at all to Putin dicide to kill him. Opposition plans to have a meeting on the 1 of March. Killing of Nemtcov will be their flag. Cinical but it seems it was ritual killing for opposition. And of course international media will claim that Putin killed the leader of the opposition. Many people will believe in it.
    P.S. Last time on the birthday of Putin was killed a popular journalist. Opposition claimed that it was Putin. Sounds stupid knowing how clever KGB agends are. People who did it then were imprisoned. No connection with Putin though and with connection to Beresovski (one of people who made billions in Russia via crimes and left Russia to London with this money when Putin dicided to investigate his dids.
     
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    Yes I'm just a western media and CIA dupe, so I have a firm belief that Putin is an anti democratic lying murdering thug. I feel I'm being reeducated by more sophisticated members here though.

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    Putin has 80% ratings, you don't need to kill people when that's the case.

    CIA all over it,
    his wiki page was updated straight away too..
     
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    There's no doubt that many of Putin's opponents are powerful and shady in their own right (particularly the oligarchs) but he threatens to out information about Russian involvement in Ukraine and gets shot? It's a bit of a stretch to think he was shot by people who support his views who hope that he will become a martyr.
    Certainly couldn't hurt to keep an open mind but normally these things are more straightforward than we'd like to believe.

    I'm not actually as anti Putin as many people seem to have become (not a huge fan either of course) but you can't deny that people in Russia with information that might embarrass or upset powerful people seem to be awfully accident prone.
     
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    Apologists for Putin....pathetic. Personally if the Russian speaking population of the earth want to disappear back into Stalinist barbarity they can but that their internet PR trolls on the net seem to want the rest of the world cheer on their moral regression is altogether loathsome.


    RIP another brave man murdered by hellbound criminal thugs and their sociopathic leader with the moral complicity of putins paid and unpaid internet apologists.

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    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/02/us-britain-russia-litvinenko-idUSKBN0L61L620150202

    "Alexander Litvinenko, a former Russian agent killed with polonium in London, believed Vladimir Putin lacked the mettle to stamp out corruption inside Russia's security agency and that he had links to organised crime, his widow said on Monday."



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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Nemtsov

    " On 10 February, on a news website, he wrote "I'm afraid Putin will kill me". Shot four times in the back, a dramatic news photo shows his body "by accident or design theatrically placed" with the Kremlin and a lighted Saint Basil's Cathedral behind."




    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/01/w...putin-critic-breeds-fear-in-russia.html?_r=0]


    "He was, as always, pugilistic and excited, saying he wanted to publish the research in a pamphlet to be called "Putin and the War," about President Vladimir V. Putin and Russian involvement in the Ukraine conflict, recalled Yevgenia Albats, the editor of New Times magazine. Both knew the stakes.

    Mr. Nemtsov, a former deputy prime minister, knew his work was dangerous but tried to convince her that, as a former high official in the Kremlin, he enjoyed immunity, Ms. Albats said.

    "He was afraid of being killed," Ms. Albats said. "And he was trying to convince himself, and me, they wouldn't touch him because he was a member of the Russian government, a vice premier, and they wouldn't want to create a precedent. Because as he said, one time the power will change hands in Russia again, and those who served Putin wouldn't want to create this precedent."

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    Vladimir Milov, a former deputy minister of energy, and co-author with Mr. Nemtsov of pamphlets alleging corruption in Mr. Putin's government, said he was concerned that the state could now target former officials like Mr. Nemtsov or like him deemed disloyal.

    This comes as analysts of Russian politics say the Kremlin could be worried about, and intent on discouraging, further defections to the opposition, given reported high-level schisms between hard-liners and liberals over military and economic policy. The government is already under strain from Russia's unacknowledged involvement in the war in Ukraine and runaway inflation in an economic crisis.

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    Mr. Milov posted an online statement saying, "There is ever less doubt that the state is behind the murder of Boris Nemtsov," and that the intention was to revive a culture of fear in Moscow. "The motive was to sow fear," he wrote.
     
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    Sounds like north korean statistics :p:
     
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    He had information about Russian involvement in Ukraine and was killed? Very weak version in my opinion. If even USA and it's CIA have no real evidence about it -and this opposition weak member had such :-; and some more. A year ago Nemtsov published information about Putin and his people corruption during Olimpic games in Sotchi. And no one decided to kill him then. And now this merder the day before the opposition march where Nemtsov is even not the leader. And the last. At the beginning of 2014 Russian parliament gave Putin a permission to take forces to Ukrain to help Donbass people. Putin did't used it and officially declined it. Do you think that if he really wanted war with Ukraine he will do it?
     
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    it seems many people outside Rissia don't have real information about internal police in that country or just don't interested in it much (I for example know very little about Australian policy). This information about Litvinenko just proves it. He lived many years in UK and couldn't publish his information about organized crime in Russia and Putin? And do you know that he was the right hand of Beresovski that was the leader of that organaized crime in Russia that moved to UK too? And do you know when Beresovski was killed (sorry take suicid as it was proclaimed buy UK officials) in London? Right after he wrote the letter to Putin to let him return to Russia for some information about Mi6? It's not conspiracy- you can find this information yourself.
     
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    Dunno who killed Nemcov, maybe we will never know.

    It was similar with journalist Politkovska. Her death made much more damage to Putin and his circle than her writing. Number of readers of newspaper she was working in, was very small for country with almost 150 mio of people. Most of the media is under (in)direct control of government anyway.

    There might be different clans struggling behind the "monolithic" Putin's "regime".

    If you are following at least a little bit different media, you will see that in last few months there is a sort of competition how to throw more s**t on Russia.

    I guess US bombers fly daily around, but nobody makes such a panic as for few Russian "bear" bombers.
     
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    ok ok... it was Jesus. Punishment for masturbating or something.
     
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    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-21696486


    "7 March 2013 Last updated at 07:23 GMT Help Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev has denounced new laws passed in Russia as an "attack on citizens' rights".

    In an interview with the BBC's Steve Rosenberg, he called on President Vladimir Putin "not to be afraid of his own people".

    Mr Gorbachev also criticised Mr Putin's inner circle, saying it was full of "thieves and corrupt officials".

    The laws include fines for organising unsanctioned protests, stiffer libel penalties, a wider definition of treason and restrictions on websites.
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    If you are an apologist for murderers and war mongers do you share their guilt?
     
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    Conspiracy theorists will have a field day over this one. Let the conspiracy theories begin!
     

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