Discussion in 'Current Affairs' started by ego2spare, May 11, 2016.
Some nice Vodkas.
I thought German open cars production in Russia
the US-ASEAN did not do much,
looks like Russia-ASEAN would progress much further than anyone would have imagine.
Indonesia need Russia made SU34 etc, to look after the islands and wide open sea lanes
Thai, Laos, Myanmar and Malaysia need a lot of cooperation too.
Philipinas (up coming Duterte) and Vietnam long time US friends also want to work with Russia.
when ASEAN and Russia working closer together, the US-Japan trade partnership fell apart in their effort to contain China.
there is also China-ASEAN working efforts
so the clear outsider seems to be US.
So the best example of advanced consumer manufacturing in Russia on hand is 'some nice vodka' and a failed attempt by a Germany company to try and make some of their German designed cars there?
Clearly Russia is a world shaking titan than never needs to scream about starting nuclear apocalypse like North Korea.
North Korea (in contrast to South Korea) being an excellent example of Sino-Russian political and cultural advancement of humanity.
That whole 'three generations to concentration camp for insulting dear leader thing'. So much wow.
Nice to see Russia making a few bucks flogging weapons to Indonesia great example of why they need to try and talk up their second rate weapons on the internet, it is the only manufactured export Russia has.
Question for you...what was the last country Vietnam was in military conflict with. Hint - it was not the US.
Shame the Russians naval base in Vietnam was shut down. So sad for putin. When putin cry sad rainbows appear on sacred mountains.
Ak47......No good? m16's great?
WW2 T34 tanks vs Sherman..... Ask the Germans
The might of the German army couldn't take Stalingrad, Leningrad or Moscow.
Beware the Russian Bear! The German and Russian armies on the eastern front were many times bigger than the western front.
Remember Who was the first to put a Satellite into earth orbit. The first to put a man into earth orbit.
Present day.. Who takes the astronauts to the space station.
The USA is indeed a great nation but it has armies in 120 countries which IMO gives them less money to develop new arms.
The Australian people, prior to WW2, laughed at the toys and the planes that Japan made..Cheap toys that fell to bits just like their planes made of wood..Tora!Tora! Tora! We soon found out how good the Zeros were.
Let us not underestimate the Russians! IMO the Russians have no reason to go to war.. They have the biggest country in the world with many natural resources...
ASK the americans on RT if they are censored then go watch Fox news...MSM in the US is a Joke.
Regards Errol 43
Yes. We know Russia makes second rate weapons that have been loosing wars against western made ones for the last 30 years.
Russia has less than half the US population and 12% of the US economy. .
It makes nothing I or you it seems wishes to buy and while your reference to the eastern front is very nice human wave assaults don't really make the grade anymore.
So sod the Russian bear and sod Russia for pumping lies and backing any form of extremist vermin they can dig up to try and destroy societies and nations worldwide.
So perhaps little kim and putin could do a duo where they both hold hands and tell the world how important and great they are and then threaten to launch nukes to try and make themselves seem less pathetic. Lifetime dictators running police states making arses of their populations who generally live in squalor.
Russian bear my arse. Geriatric flea infested feral cat more like.
How about you show me some of these great Russian consumer products people in the EU, US, China, Japan and Australia and New Zealand are waving fistfuls of cash for?
Now remember, no one needs junky weapons mainly purchased to oppress your own population that evaporate when they are in a hot war with western armies. Or to sell to authoritarian buddies or terrorist lunatics..I mean things people actually want....not mugs with putin on them and bales of rotting military surplus. Nice things, you know like when the Finns and Swedish people made mobile phones, or the Japanese games consoles, or nice lamb roast....you know stuff that is not junk for killing people and toxic propaganda to back extremists and destroy societies.
Russia. The big fail. Every.....freaking....time.
"We made new tank. You like tank?"
"You no like tank. We fire nuke but first start lada"
Just as soon as his lada grants starts reliably Putin will declare world war three.
"Putin gave the new Lada Granta a test drive and evaluated the new product.
"You've made a good car. It's good for traveling to the dacha," said the prime minister"
If you like driving in an unreliable deathtrap that handles like an insane cow cart bogged down in sewage on your spin to the dacha. On maybe with a couple of passengers in the back on their way to the gulag. Or the pit behind the gulag. Or maybe returning an escaping North Korean slave labourer to his penal camp.
Or maybe a quick spin to Donetsk to enjoy all the sights and sounds and the colourful 'locals'. Just remember to throw all your old conscript gear in the boot just in case your lada granta decides not to start.
I'll sleep just fine and putin and kim can sit and scream about nuclear apocalypse until they are red in the face..
Screw Russia and their vile neo Nazi and Marxist fanboys for rent they can hop off and subvert Russian into something worthwhile and call the world when they make anything anybody wants that is not sold by a dictator that exports hate worldwide by policy.
Totally concur that US weaponery is generations ahead but it's not all about technology.
Putin annexed Crimea without great difficulty nor anyone jumping in.
What I'm saying is Russia annexed a part of sovereign territory And not a single single western nation nor NATO sent troops to help Ukraine.
Ukraine is not in NATO but I'm sure they asked for help.
Seems China have learnt and basically annexed Spratly islands, what next Taiwan?
Weaponery I'm confident US has better stuff. But it's not all about technology.
if Russian Army dropped its pretence and invades Ukraine proper with conventional forces or if/when China annex Taiwan with conventional forces (right now China lacks a blue water navy) would US/UN/NATO take them head on, what alliances will be validated or be proven that it's not worth the paper it's written on when a real war is a possibility.
Does USA have the "will" to unilaterally save the world.
even if western technology was 3 generations superior, it's not going to be as easy as when US invaded Iraq the first or the second time when iraq's regular forces surrender faster than US was able to cope.
Ps I'm not talking about any of them directly invading each other's territories. I have my doubts,
If anything the world needs saving from the U.S. because it is the one out for world domination. Proof? Look back past 60 years. How many nations has the U.S. invaded, overthrown, occupied, ect. How many wars has it selfishly started? The U.S.'s enemy has been peace.
Now you know how I feel when he does that to me :/
lol USA puppet
The USA couldn't take north Korea, were humiliated in Vietnam, cant take / hold Iraq, or Afghanistan and theses are all primary Russian weapons. USA is a poison and blight on this earth and the sooner it is dealt with the better.v All Empires have their time in the sun, USA's is soon to come to an end.
Also about your population numbers. China has 3 x times the population of the USA but you seem to hink that matters not in other similar threads but now it is a big deal.
lol hypocrite much?
USA + Russia + allies USA does not stand a chance
and a FYI the Russian militay and equipment is not that far behind the USA, their jets and rockets are superior
you will go on about force projection blah blah blah thee Russians dont need multi billion aircraft carriers, one cheap (in comparison ) cruise missle will take it out.
The recent events in Syria also show the Russian guided weaponry are not as "inferior" as some USA puppets like yourself believed.
the US supported Maiden Ukraine, but Ukraine army were destroyed, that was the call for new 200k new force sign up. Russian weapons were not even fired.
Crimea were not force taken, it was the will of the local people who voted to moved out of (Ukraine which authority were not recognized) and re-join mother Russia.
Shots were fired from the Caspian sea at targets inside Syria, never seen that coming!!!
The US is a war monger nation, they never has peace, year in year out they have wars around the world. funny for a peace loving nation an a peace winner President.
Hope we will be driving Russian cars soon on our roads
So foreign ministers from the 28 NATO member-nations met in Brussels for a two-day summit, while mighty military power Montenegro was inducted as a new member.
Global Robocop NATO predictably discussed Afghanistan (a war NATO ignominiously lost); Iraq (a war the Pentagon ignominiously lost); Libya (a nation NATO turned into a failed state devastated by militia hell); Syria (a nation NATO, via Turkey, would love to invade, and is already a militia hell).
Afghans must now rest assured that NATO's Resolute Support mission plus "financial support for Afghan forces" will finally assure the success of Operation Enduring Freedom forever.
Libyans must be reassured, in the words of NATO figurehead secretary Jens Stoltenberg, that we "should stand ready to support the new Government of National Accord in Libya."
And then there's the icing on the NATO cake, described as "measures against Russia".
Stoltenberg duly confirmed, "We have already decided to enhance our forward presence in the eastern part of our alliance. Our military planners have put forward proposals of several battalions in different countries in the region. No decision has been taken on the numbers and locations."
These puny "several battalions" won't cause any Russian planner to lose sleep. The real "measure" is the deployment of the Aegis Ashore system in Romania last week plus a further one in Poland in 2018. This has been vehemently opposed by Moscow since the early 2000s. NATO's argument that the Aegis represents protection against the "threat" of ballistic missiles from Iran does not even qualify as kindergarten play.
Every Russian military planner knows the Aegis is not defensive. This is a serious game-changer as in de-localizing US nuclear capability to Eastern Europe. No wonder Russian President Vladimir Putin had to make it clear Russia would respond "adequately" to any threat to its security.
Predictably all Cold War 2.0 hell broke loose, all over again.
A former NATO deputy commander went ballistic, while saner heads wondered whether Moscow, sooner rather than later, would have had enough of these shenanigans and prepare for war.
That worthless Patriot
A case can be made that the Beltway neocons and neoliberalcons alike - do not want a hot war with Russia. What they want, apart from racking in more cash for the Pentagon, is to raise the ante to such a high level that Moscow will back down - based on a rational cost analysis. Yet oil prices will inevitably rise later in 2016 and under this scenario Washington is a loser. So we may see a raise of interest rates by the Fed (with all the money continuing to go to Wall Street) trying to reverse the scenario.
Comparisons of the current NATO buildup to pre-WWII buildups, or to NATO when opposed to the Warsaw Pact, are amateurish. The THAAD and Patriot missiles are worthless - according to the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) themselves; that's why they tried to improve them with Iron Dome.
Meanwhile, those new NATO army "battalions" are inconsequential. The basic thrust behind the Pentagon's moves under neocon Ash Carter continues to be to draw Russia ever further into Syria and Ukraine (as if Moscow actually was involved in, or wanted, a Ukrainian quagmire); trap Russia in proxy wars; and economically bleed Russia to death while crippling the bulk of oil and natural gas income to the Russian state.
Russia does not want and does not need war. Yet the "Russian aggression" narrative never stops. Thus it's always enlightening to come back to this
RAND corporation study, which examined what would happen if a war actually took place. RAND reached an "unambiguous" conclusion after a series of war games in 2015-2015; Russia could overrun NATO in a mere 60 hours if not less if it ever amounted to a hot war on European soil.
The Rand Corporation is essentially a CIA outpost thus a propaganda machine. Yet it's not propaganda to state the Baltic States and Ukraine would completely fall in less than three days before the Russian Army. However, the suggestion that additional NATO air power and heavily armored combat divisions would make a material difference is bogus.
The Aegis changes the game in the sense that it qualifies as a launch area for US missile defense. Think US missiles with minimum flying time around 30 minutes from Moscow; that's a certified threat to the Russian nation. The Russian military has also been "unambiguous"; if it is ascertained that NATO via the Pentagon is about to try something funny, there are grounds for a preventive strike by Iskander-M systems out of Transnistria as in the destruction of the US missiles by conveniently armed precision weapons.
Meanwhile, Moscow has pulled a stunning success of course, it's far from over in Syria. So what's left for the Pentagon via NATO is essentially to play the scare tactics card. They know Russia is prepared for war certainly much better prepared than NATO. They know neither Putin nor the Russian military will back down because of kindergarten scaremongering. As for a too conciliatory tone by the Kremlin towards Washington, things may be about to change soon.
Say hello to my S-500
The Russian military are about to test the first prototypes of the S-500 Prometey air and missile defense system, also known as 55R6M Triumfator M capable of destroying ICBMs, hypersonic cruise missiles and planes at over Mach 5 speeds; and capable of detecting and simultaneously attacking up to ten ballistic missile warheads at a range of 1300 km. This means the S-500 can smash ballistic missiles before their warheads re-enter the atmosphere.
So in the case of RAND-style NATO pussyfooting, the S-500 would totally eliminate all NATO air power over the Baltic States while the advanced Kornet missile would destroy all NATO armored vehicles. And that's not even considering conventional weapon hell.
If push comes to nuclear shove, the S-400 and especially the S-500 anti-missile missiles would block all incoming US ICBMs, cruise missiles and stealth aircraft. Offensive drones would be blocked by drone defenses. The S-500 practically consigns to the dustbin stealth warplanes such as the F-22, F-35 and the B-2.
The bottom line is that Russia in terms of hypersonic missile development is about four generations ahead of the US, if we measure it by the development of the S-300, S-400 and S-500 systems. As a working hypothesis, we could describe the next system already in the drawing boards as the S-600. It would take the US military at least ten years to develop and roll out a new weapons system, which in military terms represents a generation. Every Pentagon planner worth his pension plan should know that.
Russian and Chinese missiles are already able to knock out the satellite guidance systems for US nuclear tipped ICBMs and cruise missiles. They could also knock out the early alert warnings that the satellite constellations would give. A Russian hypersonic ICBM flight time, launched for instance from a Russian nuclear sub all the way to the US East Coast, counts for less than 20 minutes. So an early warning system is absolutely critical. Don't count on the worthless THAAD and Patriot to do their job. Once again, Russian hypersonic technology has already rendered the entire missile defense system in both the US and Europe totally obsolete.
So why is Moscow so worried by the Pentagon placing the Aegis system so close to Russia's borders? A credible answer is that Moscow is always concerned that the US industrial military-complex might develop some really effective anti-missile missiles even though they are now about four generations behind.
At the same time, Pentagon planners have reasons to be very worried by what they know, or hint. At the same time the Russian military in a very Asian way never reveal their full hand. The key fact of the matter needs to be stressed over and over again; the S-500 is impenetrable - and allows Russia for the first time in history to launch a first strike nuclear attack, if it ever chooses to do so, and be immune to retaliation.
The rest is idle babbling. Still, expect the official Pentagon/NATO narrative to remain the same. After all, the industrial-military complex is a cash-devouring hydra, and a powerful enemy is a must (the phony Daesh "caliphate" does not count).
The Threat Narrative rules that Russia has to meekly accept being surrounded by NATO. Russia is not allowed any response; in any case, any response will be branded as "Russian aggression". If Russia defends itself, this will be "exposed" as an unacceptable provocation. And may even furnish the pretext for a pre-emptive attack by NATO against Russia.
Now let those Pentagon/NATO planners duly go back to play in their lavish kindergarten.
The statements, views and opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RT.
Who is the provoker? US/NATO or Russia?
THIS MASSIVE MILITARY BUILDUP ON RUSSIAN BORDERS HAS NOT BEEN SEEN SINCE 1941
Russia to close first deals to attract Islamic capital in the fall
by their actions/fruits you shall know them
If there is going to be a war with Russia, then the United States
will most certainly be destroyed, and most of us will end up dead.
Agitprop, first used in 1938, is a portmanteau, or a combination of two words: agitation and propaganda. It was originally used in Soviet Russia, inspired by a Communist Party committee called the "Department for Agitation and Propaganda."
No it is not a good read. It is junk off a agitprot seed site. I thought citing rt was bad but this is the kind of rubbish that hosts articles declaring 'the Russian soldier the person of the year 2014'. It is a site like globalresearch.ca, sputnik etc etc that is used as a link dump for putinbot troll farms.
A big piece of the Moscow Ukraine agitprot putinbot farms link to this rubbish.
The usual second rate agitprot with a dash of makey uppey cloak and dagger with some tin foil hats. The usual kremlin crap and pseudo fascist pan Slavic nationalist tripe..
Meanwhile back in reality the kleptocracy of modern Russia has average of 19.2 million Russians or 13.4% of the population living on less than 9,452 roubles ($139) a month
That's 19 million people living on less than 150 bucks a month.
And what is the Russian government doing? Building more nukes and pretending it is a first world nation when it can't even make a decent car. Autovaz cited above is largely owned by Renault-Nissan and even with that investment and foreign expertiseis on the verge of bankruptcy
Its is as if Russia cannot even make lego when it is given as a gift and has a grown up helping. As for Russia making a decent car all on it's own....light years away,
"Russia's top car maker Avtovaz asks shareholders for help to save it from bankruptcy"
How ironic. People trying to make out Russia is a lovely pacifist nation forced on the defensive on a thread titled "Russia to deploy "the son of satan""
After all tiny nations like Estonia are going to do what?
Russia. The fail of the last century and so it seems this one also.
No wonder Russian agitprot likes the 'economic collapse' doomer meme. After all if there is one place that knows all about collapsing economically it is Russia.
The really funny thing is Russia is going to fall apart all on its own by just continuing with a retarded economy based on raw commodity exports, shoddy arms exports and a poor mans 1984 fusion of organised crime and 19th century police state syndrome which it never evolved out of. Tsars and stalins and putins. Poverty and failure and terror to neighbouring nations. Fail fail fail. No one in the west wants war with Russiam rather Russia likes shouting about it just like North Korea because its the same foot stamping totalitatian apocalypse threatening sh*te that makes the Russian population think that their pathetic authoritarian setup actually matters to the rest of the world..
If Russia was the only country on the planet it would still manage a dictatorship, police state and regular economic collapse. The best way to destroy Russia is to just leave it to be itself.
How can the Russian state justify spend on this trite 70s style 'undermine the west by propaganda' junk when most of its population does not have safe drinkable tap water (according to the Russians themselves)?
""A considerable part of the population still does not receive potable water of required quality. Only one per cent meets high standards of quality; the other 99 per cent require additional clearing", the director of Institute of Water Problems the scientist of the Russian Academy of Sciences Victor Danilov-Danilyan says."
Clearly if free willed Russian speaking individuals voluntarily believe this kind of blatantly kremlin spun tat that it is just true that 'In Russia the lie tells you' just as much as in the worst days of the USSR.
Russia's top car maker Avtovaz asks shareholders for help to save it from bankruptcy
Isn't it Ford motor is all about, GM too. competition too tough from South Korea
How is Japanese Car makers doing , not well!
so everywhere are the same.
I think it is too far to expect a Russian Car maker to be doing very well, or NO 1. as compared to the rest.
It is a good other side of the same story we get in this part of my world, so everywhere we only see Russian Aggression. This we see American Aggression, such as done to Brazil, China, Russia etc. People would pay to buy the other side of the news, as they are just tired of the nonsense from "what main streams media" which has very little audiences anyway after 40+ years of dumbing down.
We had seen what American bombs did to Japan, it would not be good to live and see Russian ones on hers adversaries.
The best way to destroy the USA would be the leave that country, and then it would collapse it, this can be done with TSA, Patriot Acts, and turn all the people into slaves. It is being done to the FREE People. This is very SAD. People love America for it is free, their freedom, but bush said 'they hates our freedom', here the Serpent speak.
The facts that the US soldiers set up the Abu Ghraib torture chambers, and blame it on Saddam. That's propaganda. The families of those millions killed by Joy Targeting would hates what being done to them, No doubt about that. No, bush said, they just full of hatred.
Estonia can be small, but if you put in American Fire power ready to press the red buttons.
The same can be said to small Cuba, if you ready fire Russian Nukes over there to launch at any moment.
(just like the official lines, the purpose of this exercise is not targeted at any specific country)
well when you do Nato exercise at the Russian borders, nope. there is no other country over there.
when Russia and China, doing their Naval exercise, oh well they want to contain North Korea, but it is within reach to Japan and US Navy ports etc.
Both are doing the right things, they are practicing for the real deals within their own boarders anyway.
One country not an arrogant people just accept that there poor people living amongst them, the other would have WAR on poverty as their official outcry.
that is the world we live in anyway. same place.
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