Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Drops Vaccine Truth Bomb Live on TV

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  1. Gonzo

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    My mom in law worked for a state ward that took care of these messed up kids.
    One day they are excited for kindergarten about to start school getting their shots, next day retarded wearing diapers and chewing on their hands.
    She also had other cases, some born that way and some from accidents.
    One guy was a real sad story.
    Was about 35 with a wife a kids and a normal life. One day crashed his cycle with no helmet and then hes sitting in a wheelchair in diapers chewing on his hands.
    He never even new he had kids or was married after that. He might as well of died but the wreck only injured his brain.
    Sad to the bone.
     
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    I think this statement shows the difference, and tolerance of right vs left.

    The right say do your own thing, but if there's consequences, deal with it yourself.

    The left want to force people to do as they do / think is correct. Using force if they control the state apparatus.
     
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    @willrocks, that’s okay, if you don’t want to dispute the anonymous blogger’s science based facts you could always have a crack at the factcheck.org ones, or we could just leave it there and move on.

    Coz I really don’t care whether parents get their kids vaccinated or not.
     
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    I can't see any benefit trawling through those articles. Even if I found something I could argue, I doubt it would change anyone's mind.

    Likewise I don't care if parents vaccinate their kids or not. As long as they don't try and force their decision on me or my family.
     
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    A great interview with Dr Andrew Wakefield about VAXXED. Dr Andrew Wakefield is not anti-vaccination. He discovered the CDC fraudulently manipulating data regarding dangers of the MMR vaccine. He still recommends vaccination, just not the MMR.



    @mmm....shiney! any debunking of Dr Andrew Wakefield's claims?
     
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    Aren’t you applying double standards? You won’t refute the scientific evidence I link to but you want invite me to refute the scientific evidence you present?

    Of course I’ll try, I’m all for open debate.
     
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    Dr Wakfield's claims are primarily:

    1. That three single vaccinations are much safer than one combined MMR vaccine (Measles Mumps Rubella), and
    2. That the MMR vaccine is too much for a small child's immune system, and
    3. His findings show that there is a causal link between the MMR vaccine and autism, diabetes, and some gastro conditions, and
    4. That the CDC fraudulently manipulated data to remove any link between MMR and autism.
     
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    Starters:

    Probably in relation to this: https://thinkingmomsrevolution.com/whistleblower-blows-lid-malfeasance-fraud-cdc-tuskegee-revisited/ and something about race/gender.

    The CDC explained:

    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/Autism/cdc2004pediatrics.html

    The data from the study is available here: https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/developmentaldisabilities/maddsp-data-sets.html but you have to apply for it, possibly because it contains sensitive information.
     
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    This study? https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(10)60175-4/fulltext

    As you can see The Lancet issued a retraction on the basis that it contained incorrect and fraudulent information. As a result, Wakefield had his medical licence taken off him in the UK.

    There have been quite an amount of studies supporting the view that the vaccines do not cause unintended consequences in healthy children, for example:

    https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(13)00144-3/fulltext

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/381171
     
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    Most of them, as all scientists are aware that many scientific reports are wrong, and according to this professor, up to 90% of medical reports are flawed: https://www.metafilter.com/96785/Lies-Damned-Lies-and-Medical-Science.

    So if the experts are correct you've got about a 1 in 10 chance that your reports are correct, and keep in mind they're from a pharmaceutical organisation, and it's the pharmaceutical industry who had to get the govt to protect them from being sued by their victims.

    I think in these days of fake news, fake science, fake money, fake religion and even fake people, you would have to be naive to just accept a report from an organisation that probably spends more on spin than the GDP of some countries.
     
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    [QUOTE="GoldenEye, post: 1114986, member: 14734"I think in these days of fake news, fake science, fake money, fake religion and even fake people, you would have to be naive to just accept a report from an organisation that probably spends more on spin than the GDP of some countries.[/QUOTE]

    Your expert sources of course would be excluded. :rolleyes:
     
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    Willrocks is correct: "...I don't care if parents vaccinate their kids or not. As long as they don't try and force their decision on me or my family."

    The above is the only valid conservative and Libertarian point of view. The parents of a child determine what is in their family's best interests, not a bunch of bureaucrats.
     
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    I was wondering if you would pick up on that. :)

    What I do is look for solid evidence of what's actually happened and not what people are saying, or putting in their own paid for reports. So with the vaccine issue I've looked at the actual law which protects pharmaceuticals from being sued, and I think to myself there's got to be a reason for that law. Once these things go to court and all the experts for both sides are able to provide their evidence, the real truth is discovered, like what's happened recently with RoundUp. The pharmaceuticals are protected from this process for a reason, and everyone knows what's really happening except for the general public.
     
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    See I’d call that a conspiracy theory as opposed to the truth. :)
     
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    That's what should be,but unfortunately in Australia there is a law in place, if you not vaccinate you kids you will lose family benefit -that's what we call democratic society... in the nearer future the Big Brother will be trying to determine what is the best interest for all of us as well...
     
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    If they /Big Pharma/win in court it's called by media the True-if they lose like with RoundUp case it's called conveniently Conspiracy...
     
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