Qasem Soleimani: US kills top Iranian general in Baghdad air strike

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  1. Jim4silver

    Jim4silver Well-Known Member

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    Iran admitted they shot down the plane. If you still have doubts I don't know what else to tell you.
     
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    sgbuyer Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    From the protests, I can see that Iran is still not a totalitarian state like those in Asia. Not surprising as religion is still the main ideology in Iran, the Iranians don't worship the party like they do in Asia.
     
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    66rounds Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    But the religion is the party in Iran. They will never elect a secular party or any party seen as less religious
     
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    sgbuyer Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    What I mean is the religion is Shia Islam, not the party. The party is second. But in Asian totalitarian state, the party is the "god". This practice is since the ancient times where people prostrate to kings and emperors because the king is the god, or son of god. The word for emperor in Chinese is actually "Son of god". The literal meaning of this word might already be blasphemy in Islamic states.
     
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    "And how, pray tell, did the recorder of this video know exactly when and where to turn on his camera and film this act of callous murder? You yanks can't see past your crooked noses to unveil the dirty fingerprints your leaders leave around the world."
    I'd also add that the person may well have been taking video of the plane in the sky for the same reason the plane was shot down.
    If my country had just hours before fired missiles into a neighboring country i too would be filming any noises above me in the hope i could catch a missile on camera.
    Is attempting to get a missile on camera a potential valid reason for having their camera out at that time 66rounds?
     
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    66rounds Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    No one doubts the final outcome, innocent civilians dead. But for you to believe the US can wipe it's hands of involvement when they orchestrated the build up to this catastrophe is typical Yankee arrogance.
     
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    No you're absolutely right. The atmosphere that caused this catastrophe would have been wildly tense (Thanks America). It is just very convenient that the camera man who presumably resides or works near the airport would be filming one of the many planes that come and go regularly only for it to be suddenly shot down by Iranian air defenses.

    The Tor SAM launches a radar guided missile with a 15kg warhead that would rip a jumbo jet apart mid air, not an infrared guided rocket that would carry a sub-7kg fragmenting warhead that would target the hot jet turbines causing "engine malfunction" and catastrophic crash. The jumbo had just taken off and turbines would have yet to cool at crusing altitude, presenting a very big target for any shoulder fired MANPAD.

    All pieces of the puzzle that make me suspicious.
     
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    In fact, when I know what is meant by "mamelon" and "ravelin",
    When I can tell at sight a Mauser rifle from a javelin,
    When such affairs as sorties and surprises I'm more wary at,
    And when I know precisely what is meant by "commissariat",
    When I have learnt what progress has been made in modern gunnery,
    When I know more of tactics than a novice in a nunnery--
    In short, when I've a smattering of elemental strategy,
    You'll say a better Major-General has never sat a gee.
     
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    It was security camera footage. Your buddies in Iran are arresting folks who release proof of what they did so the folks can't be too open about where it came from.

    The first Iranian who shot at the plane thought it was an incoming missile at 19km away and didn't realize it was even a plane.

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...ho-got-the-video-of-two-missiles-striking-the

    https://www.businessinsider.com/ira...-was-hostile-target-us-military-planes-2020-1
     
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    Iran might be behind the fires in Australia. Has anyone heard of the nationality of the arsonists? Seems a very organized group doing that and strategically starting them.
     
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    slash and burn is common in Indonesia, few thousands of fires every year.s
    visibility <1 meter, almost hit by motor bikes few times on the roads, the lungs feel real bad
    you could not imagine how fearful those arsonists would feel when they got caught and tied to a tree in the middle of their own fire
    bad luck for all other living things, they got roasted mostly n become food for the lands
     
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    Up there on the platform
    He is speaking to the people
    The people are responding
    With clapping and a'cheering
    But the meaning of the message
    Not revealed to those assembled
    They're taken for a ride
    Taken In his stride

    When the Generals talk
    You better listen to him
    When the Generals talk
    You better do what he say

    There's a rumor in the ranking
    Someone's talking insurrection
    So the General has a purge
    Cause he wants to win elections
    With the certain satisfaction
    That the people are appeased
    Long live the revolution
    The General's very pleased

    Sitting on the fence both ears to the ground
    The fat cats still push the thin cats around
     
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    alor Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Iraqi wants American soldiers out
     
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    It will never ever happen. The US will never leave Iraq. They will engineer a way to solidify their presence there, whether another "Iranian" oil tanker attack or something else requiring increased security presence.
     
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    There were "thousands" of protesters, lied Western MSM.
     
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    The Iraqi people couldn't push America out anyway. They couldn't even get Saddam out of office until the US came and did it for them.
    The biggest memory I have of the iraqi men I encountered were how fast they surrendered. They were like helpless children crying and pleading for protection. Their women must be ashamed.
     
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    I've heard that from friends who served (they dropped their weapons literally and ran). Also heard that in Afghanistan, some of our soldiers could hear the cries from the "bachi boys" being raped by Afghanistan military members (the ones we were supposedly helping). Our troops were told to stand down and couldn't interfere with their cultural norms.

    We never should have gone to either Iraq or Afghanistan. Thank neocons like GB 1 and GB 2. I know it wasn't to bring democracy to them like we were told. Obviously false reasoning, because certain cultures cannot tolerate democracy because it interferes with their religion to begin with. You will never see a real democracy or democratic republic in countries that are ruled by a certain religion (truly free and fair, open elections, not the rigged BS kind some do to look "western"). That is why the first thing many of these folks do is try to establish Sharia law wherever they go.

    Trump haters can't blame him for getting us in the mideast. Doubtful the masters of the universe will let us leave completely either.
     
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    Yeah it was nothing to catch a few playing "belly sticks" under their robes. It was looked down upon officially but they all mostly took part. It's a normal part of the culture and the long nights in the desert gives them needs haha.
    Our frontiersman and early mining men didnt see women for years and played checkers and poker.
    Those Mideast fellers get a few minutes to spare and they are chest hair deep in belly swords. Go figure.
     
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    Despite the Iraqi’s poor military standing it is galling to see the US talking democracy at the same time as their Middle East actions.
     
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