Paul Keating pulls no punches when asked about the U.S./Aus. alliance

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  1. SpacePete

    SpacePete Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Keating tells it like it is: "This society of ours is a better society than the society of the United States."

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paPrAG6IY_8[/youtube]
     
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    Its interesting that he says he like's Trump and his strength.
     
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    Sounded like a great guy with some good ideas until he childishly poo-pooed whatever the Asian thing was.

    "Subordination to the United States"
    I've never heard/thought of such a thing. Is this a widely held cultural idea throughout Australia?
     
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    I don't want to listen to this, can you summarise why he considers our society to be better than the US society?

    There's probably some 200 odd million who would disagree with him.
     
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    Probably 60 seconds of listening at the start to hear his words directly.
     
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    "We haz banana's" :p
     
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    He is an advocate of independent foreign policy in Asia, and would like Australia to become a core member of ASEAN. He believes diplomacy and strong relations with nations in the region would benefit Australia more than a more aggressive shirtfronting approach.

    Maybe someone else can comment on this one?
     
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    The bananas we have to have :)
     
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    Ok, if you insist :)

     
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    ^ Would you consider Pine Gap an example Pete?
    Peppercorn deal and upon official opening US delegate literally handed over 30 peppercorns to Australian delegate to cover first 30 years of lease.
     
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    I wonder what would Keating say. Is there any comments by him on it?

    With regards to relying on the US for our protection, he says something about this in the clip above:

     
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    And when asked about Trump:

     
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    No idea of Keating's thoughts on it....probably not much since its been an ongoing deal since the late 60's
     
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    I doubt any Australian government would touch the Pine Gap deal since the Fraser Coup.

    The USA made it pretty clear then that Australia best not rock the boat. Since then not a peep and it scared, or impressed, the politicians so much that it has been basically yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir when dealing with USA.

    We're a client state and perhaps the Trump administration will simply make obvious what has been undercover all these years. They have big guns. We have none.
     
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    And now we are on the hook for a trillion+

    How great. We had zero afer a short and painful squeeze by Howard's government. Then, every effort was made to enslave us to banking and financial interests in Appendix G of Wayne Swan's Treasury Report, which was of course, inked out so the public were not allowed to know who owned the debt.

    That's a very interesting way of looking after the citizenry, especially when the MSM just loved it.
     
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    You are referring to the NDIS, the scheme to help disabled Australians, yes? The scheme that had bipartisan support across political boundaries.

    Where did you get the trillion+ number from?
     
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    Just Keating being his usual contradictory Richard Cranium self. On the one hand criticises Australia for being subordinate towards the USA, a long term Ally, then on the other saying we should be a part of the ASEAN group of nations instead as they are closer. That we are a better society than the USA, more even, more fair (although no freedom of speech, right to protect ourselves, bill of rights etc), Trump is a big power guy but we should kowtow to China with the South China sea etc. Wants all the benefits such as security and intell with our Anzus treaty, but basically wants us to be an open target for China, Indonesia, Malaysia on go it on our own with zero backup.

    Meanwhile we are basically a European/Christian based society at the arse end of Asia, who see us as a Farm/Quarry of raw goods, a lot of space and a minuscule population of unarmed naive drunks with a decaying military presence.

    I don't think Keating ever got over the fact of being Turkey Slapped by Howard.
     
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    Fact check on the wages growth:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-17/fact-check-is-wage-growth-lowest-on-record/7505512
     
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    Whitlam tried to launch a probe into pine gap and US activities on Australian soil and look what happened to him.
     
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    I don't know much about that era, but some recent articles are fascinating and quite shocking. Some very deep a dirty relationships between the CIA and politics. The "total surveillance" role of Pine Gap, with domestic surveillance of Australia is a new one to me.

     

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