OOO ---> Anyone going into Oil ?

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    ASX code OOO, play on the pure oil futures price, 100% forex hedged. Anyone thinking bout it ?
     
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    Yeah I have been looking at it - good exposure - currency risk hedged out... anyone know much about BetaShares - are their etf's known for accuratly tracking the underlying index? How are they rated.

    Matthew 26:14 - what is the index it's tracking dont know much about oil are they tracking the WTI crude or the Brent Crude price - why is it only $50+ instead of $100+.

    I want some exposure to crude that doesnt include company risk. What is the main risk of this ETF?
     
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    Is the BetaShares ETF platform a warrant (ie it expires)? Why are derivitives so complicated
     
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    Hold onto your various bodily parts if you go into OOO. Oil futures are notoriously volatile. You think silver is a wild ride, wait till you get into oil.

    Yes the S&P index tracks the WTI. Oil went from $148 a barrel to $30 a barrel now back to $100. Now thats some wild swings and round-a-bouts !
     
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    Fortune favours the brave - with peak oil next year and the increasing possibility of civil or international war in the middle east, im betting the odds are sligthtly enough to take the risk.
     
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    And fools rush in when wise men fear to tread.... $100 a barrel seems about right. A double dip recession will see oil go through $50 again.
     
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    Im not 100% sure about that, energy demand is not meeting supply. I dont just want to look at 1 economic event. The geo-politics comes into this one quite substantialy.

    Crude oil is not just for energy, it makes hard plastics, rubber additive and many other products that are required for everyday living. I dont suspect (if it does get to 50) it would stay there for long.

    Onto another question - How does the index derive it's oil price. Its obviously not the spot price but it seems to be a selected prtion of overall commodities indext S&P has put together. So its effectively a 2:3 ratio compared to the spot price of WTI. Does that seem accurate to you guys?
     
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    Tight Oil Inventories Support Record Prices 12-05-2011

    Dec/05/2011Joe Dancy: Tight Oil Inventories Support Record PricesIEA Energy Outlook sees clear fundamental support for stubbornly high pricesJoe Dancy joins Jim to talk about energy and sees global inventories and supply/demand metrics supporting continued high oil prices. In real terms, 2011 will have the highest average oil price in 147 years.James J Puplava CFP With Joseph Dancy

    http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/fsn/~5/yHXmWwefGeM/fsn2011-1205-1.mp3

    timely
     
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    The liquididty of this ETF is absolute rubbish!
     
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    Anyone brought OOO. I am thinking of getting into it using Commsec.
    Brother and Sister. Please guide. Totally noob at this.

    A couple of questions
    Is it a buy low sell high play or it has expiry date(futures)?

    Can someone please explain why price is around $46, whereas WTI Crude oil is $89.1 and Brent Crude is $105.1?

    Say for example. per unit price is $46, how many unit min i can buy?

    Buying and Selling in Commsec is $19.95 / transaction. Apart from that no additional fees applies applies? (Well apart from capital gain tax later on)

    S&P 500 GSCI (Goldman Sachs Commodity Index) track the actual trend of oil price?


    Thanks in advance
     
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    Share your experience. Why you have comment like this?^^
     
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    Look at the ave daily volume for the stock, if your planning on selling in a oil price crash you would be hammered.
     
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    ya you are right. Thanks i continue to stick with silver then ^^
     
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    like any ETF, hard to sell out of on the way down, you need to have a guaranteed stop in place
    BTW oil got smashed in the last GFC all the way under $40
     

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