Online retailing back in the news as cycle business fails

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  1. wrcmad

    wrcmad Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Fair enough. I see your point too Big AD.
     
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    If anything what is killing our economy its protectionism and unionism.

    This guy even admits his shortcomings.
    He wasn't competitive.

    Why wasn't he competitive?

    The simple answer is he serviced customers, thereby requiring more labour cost.
    He was in a niche market of servicing customers and should never have tried to compete with Chinese imports that can be sold on-line in the first place.
    May not be as good as the BSC brand. Facts are people have become the throw away society where servicing face to face no-longer carries as much weight.

    As far as I am concerned this guy just makes excuses for his lack of forsight.

    -High rents. (Since when have commercial rents been low.?)
    -Unfair Internet Competition (Why didn't he see it coming and get in first offering a no frills bike on the net as well as his after servicing customers?)
    -Tightening Credit from our suppliers. (In otherwords his business plan was based around a 30, 60 or 90 day Credit)
    -A general slowdown in the retail market. (Gerry Harvey was screaming about it a few years ago.)
    -Too many stores opening up in our area. (Sounds like he couldn't have competed even without blaming Online as a problem. Why open up another store in a fortnight?)
    -Very aggressive discounting within the industry. (Same as the above)

    Bottom line is he had a good product and quality after service but due to overheads he priced himself out of the market like many other companies.
    Its true, people are very price conscious. Why would I buy my 12 year old son an expensive bike when I can just as easily get
    a cheapo from Kmart that will last him a year or two, throw it away and get him another one?
    Kids no longer value things the same as in previous generations.
    Thats the cold hard facts. Look at how we shop.
    Actually, I could say the same for society in general.

    Many specialist shops,services and traditional quality tradesman are a dieing breed.

    The internet shopping is a different animal and should not have to justify its existance
    by being taxed to bring it into line with uncompetitive markets. Its not the internet
    sellers that need to change, its the retailers in general who need to change and offer far better
    added value services. Training staff to treat all potential customers with respect would be a good start.

    Cheers markcoinoz
     
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    Righto, I'm off to the taxfree internets with my credit card... [​IMG]
     
  4. Shaddam IV

    Shaddam IV Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    A appreciate your answers Ghost, they are very revealing.
     
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    I agree.What a tool.
     
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    Up the tariffs ,no way can we compete with cheap wages Os . droping the minimum wage and overtime wont help you will just end up with a lot of homeless slaves .try buying a motorbike or some small machinery double the price of the yanks even for german made stuff.someone is making a shedload
     
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    my view taxing internet sales is BS. but i do want to say RETAIL RENT!!!! is a major factor why most of our industry is set up in offices now.
     
  8. mmm....shiney!

    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    So you are in favour of foreign companies not having to collect gst, but Oz companies being forced to?
     
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    I see where you are coming from but quite why the Australian Government should be getting any money from Goods or Services provided from someone outside of Australia I do not know. Neither the goods nor the service were provided by Australia.

    I posted some second hand items to Spain as part of a like-for-like swap and the Spanish government taxed them at EUR43 on arrival, nice money if you can get it. GST had already been paid on the items but my firend had to pay it again. Same as some second hand items I got from America over $1000 in value. I told the customs official that they were second hand and tax had already been paid on them, his answer was "Well they are new to you!" and charged 5% import duties and 10% GST+ a $50 handling fee for the 'service'.

    I have no idea why the Australians voted to pay tax on goods and services, you guys are keen! At 10% it isn't as high as other countries such as the UK but I still don't want to pay for a service I haven't recieved.

    I feel bad for the post office having to deal with all the incoming post and getting none of the cash, they really should have negotiated that one a bit better! However last time I sent about $40 worth of christmas presents back to the UK (Calendars, Tea towels and Australian Magazines) it ended up costing $75 in postage. So I have stopped sending anything overseas. Added to that it costs about the same to post a small package from the USA as it does to send it locally. Economies of scale and all that! Throw in items getting left in the mail box when you pay for a signature delivery and you get a situation when neither side are happy.
     
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    Glad I could help educate the less fortunate...
     
  12. Shaddam IV

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    Trolls don't generally last long on this forum.
     
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    This thread is fail. The level of discussion on Silver Stackers has gone downhill since I was last active.
     
  14. RhythmDoctor

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    MatrixOpals/Water&Food ring any bells?

    Oh sorry no - he just used the forum as a place to catalogue mental illness.

    I'm in complete agreement there with you Zurnaik - its almost impossible to have a learned debate here without people being overly aggressive with their view.

    I'm a huge beleiver in listening and undertstanding anothers' point of view - even if I don't agree with it, I'll still try and understand the person's rationale - only by discussion do we learn, and by listening we understand others points of view.

    I've kinda had it with numbskulls on this site of late.
     
  15. Dogmatix

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    Hey it's not actually that bad - it just depends on the topic. Some of the deeper topics have great discussions in them. It just so happens that this topic is a) emotional for some, and b) if interest to most people on this site.

    A + B = fireworks
     
  16. Big A.D.

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    A hybrid income-GST tax means tax is collected on the "sell" side when you receive income for whatever you did to get it (like when you sell your time to your employer in exchange for a wage) and also on the "buy" side when you spend some of your income on stuff (food, computers, getting your car fixed).

    Rather than having all the tax collected either on income or on consumption, it spreads the government's risk that people's income and spending patterns might change based on economic circumstances. If we only had a GST and everybody suddenly decided to stop spending and start saving, the tax take would go down and they wouldn't be able to pay for all the stuff than needs to be paid for. If we only had income tax and everyone's income dropped to the point where they were tapping into their savings to keep buying things, the same thing would happen.

    The hybrid system smooths out the kinks in the government's cashflow.

    Australia Post either pays or gets paid based on the surplus or deficit of net mail exiting Australia. If we receive 500 tonnes of mail from the U.S. and only send 400 tonnes to the U.S., the USPS pays AusPost for delivering the 100 tonnes difference.

    The Universal Postal Union was establish about 150 years ago to organise the international mail system and the formula they use to calculate fees between countries uses the United Nations' Special Drawing Rights so that no one country has an unfair influence on the price of international mail.
     
  17. mmm....shiney!

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    That's a good argument Jis, up to a point, and the point happens to be $1000. And it is an Australian government decision that affects Australian businesses only.


    GST is a consumption tax not an origin tax (tariff). Hang on!!!! It is!!!! It's a tariff for domestic suppliers :eek:

    @Jonesy - you've maintained your decorum admirably. In the end I usually tell them to go and get fucked and then get given a little holiday (rightly so may I add) for a while. :)

    @pikey, yes matrix/W&F good troll if the mood took him, but at least he had a good brain and posted valuable insights. Also if the mood took him. :p
     
  18. Jislizard

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    Not all posts have gone downhill!

    The one above was very informative (and the one above that) and well presented, granted some people have discussions that would be better served by PM but that is true in most things.

    In general I find the level of conversation is pretty high, at least it isn't about 'who won the football' or 'what I would do if I won the lottery' or 'what so-and-so did on some TV soap last night'.

    I just think that Nonrecourse's thread and this one have raised a few things that people have issues with.

    Obviously a $4 rise in the spot price is no longer enough to get people excited.
     
  19. mmm....shiney!

    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Ha ha, my "Thank you" was :p ;)
     
  20. Jislizard

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    you can have one back!

    ;p
     

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