On the US presidential election 2016

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  1. Old Codger

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    "mmissinglink wrote:

    The MSM is as much for Conservatives as they are for Liberals."


    This reminds me of one if my many 'debates' with my communist brother and sister in law. On the subject of the ABC, my brother took my breath away when he claimed that the ABC was "biased to the Liberal Party".

    I learned many of the Moscow School of (mass) Debating tactics from my brother, and members here of course!

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    I think you will find it was the Fabian socialist stnuc that started the brain washing, London school of economics and political science opened 1895
     
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    OK, agree, my chronology is a bit out, but I was only a lad at the time.

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    You continue to make spurious claims without a shred of evidence.


    I have no more anti-Trump bias than I do anti-Clinton bias. That I call a buffoon a buffoon is not at all a sign of bias....it's a sign of honesty.


    The reason I don't need to criticize Clinton is because at least 95% of the comments in this thread do that already....no need at all for me to repeat those criticisms of Clinton that I see as valid. If 95% of the criticisms were against Trump I'd be pointing out why Clinton is such a poor candidate instead of just regurgitating what's already being stated if that were the case. On the other hand, you are most certainly anti-Clinton and pro-Trump - you are woefully biased - while I am neither pro-Clinton nor pro-Trump. With my Liberal friends, I don't bother criticizing Trump because at least 95% of the time that's what they do. With them, I point out the reasons why I will not be voting for Clinton. I get as much animosity (and conflation of the facts) from them as I do from Right Wingers and devout Conservatives in forums like this. Different political persuasion; same fanatical hatred.


    That you may have a few friends who are Lefties who believe that the MSM is pro-Left is a fallacious argument. Even if you claimed that your view is true because all your friends held the same view you do, this is still a logical fallacy of the argumentum ad populum type. Of course they are entitled to their opinion but that doesn't make their opinion true.


    As for the ridiculous claim that Trump is far cleaner than Clinton, what the biased, uncritically devoted political hacks who utter this nonsensical drivel are conveniently forgetting is that Trump hasn't held political office and hasn't been a person that the GOP or DNC has wanted to support over the years and ergo he can't possibly have the sort of dirt that a long time political operative like Clinton does. But this doesn't in any way, shape, or form mean that Trump isn't as corrupt....it simply means that he hasn't had that exposure (and therefore hasn't been tested like Clinton). If he were, you can bet your last penny that he'd have as much dirt on him as Clinton....in fact, probably more dirt than Clinton.


    I've already explained to you why the MSM isn't pro-Left and isn't anti-Right and why the MSM chooses to have a field day every day with the loudmouth, raucous, buffoon Trump.....it's because the MSM gets much more mileage from this clown than they do with focusing on plausible deniability attacks on Clinton. You Right Wingers just seem to hate the truth that this represents and that's why you choose to deny this truth.


    To admit that MSM outlets like FOX and its vast army of affiliates leans more Right than Left is like admitting that the now defunct Air America or political programs like the Rachel Maddow Show leans more Left than Right. Why should that be something one would even bother to acknowledge....it's in-your-face obvious. Instead, if you were anything but completely partisan and biased, you'd recognize that the MSM as a whole is just as much pro-Right as it is pro-Left. I have friends who are objective like me who also recognize this but I say this anecdotally in the context of your assertion that because you know people who happen to agree with you that therefore this makes your position true. We can both play that game. Instead, I'd rather rely on the arguments that are most reasonable and that make most sense as do my arguments since there's not a shred of evidence to corroborate the claim that the MSM s a whole is pro-Left.


    Anyway, I can bring the horse to the water, but I can't make the pro-Trump/anti-Clinton supporters drink the water. The people who believe that Trump somehow isn't corrupt and somehow isn't part of the broken system are deluding themselves and in fact are part of the problem in the world today.




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    I've never seen such exhaustive propaganda.

    The Guardian headline

     
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    In my dealings with socialists, I have observed a strong tendency to a rule that "the more they fear the more they hate, and the more they attack".

    The Democrats and the socialist media fear Trump, he is an unknown non-political force that may end up defeating them, and so they have orchestrated a campaign all over America, and indeed all over the world.

    IMO they have gone so far as to fabricate a dozen women to give the classic "me too" message much like Tiger Woods and Cosby. I am deeply suspicious of a charge 30 years old, never having been made before until one speaks up!

    To me, the left wing bias of the media is so obvious that i cannot understand anyone denying it! It is the same over here!

    JMO

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    But the Americans don't have a taxpayer funded mouthpiece for the left like we do with the ABC, do they?
     
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    Furphy.

    Do some research.
     
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    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57qTegcMT3g/youtube]
     
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    "Furphy."

    My Great Grandfather and his son, my Grandfather, were contemporaries of John Furphy in Shepparton. All attended the Shepparton Methodist Church and my Great Grandfather built it!

    He charged them cost of materials and labour only.

    The two families were good and lifelong friends.

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    When trump goes low...he will always go lower :lol:
    He is out of straws to clutch at so his campaing actually made this ad to get the indian vote, because why not...what else does he have to loose? :lol: this is so bad its painful.
    He is basically indirectly saying to the indians. U hate muslims and i do to ;) .

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0QyJZYhgBs[/youtube]
     
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    Hay shiney....
    Just for fun, i want u to go one your sites and "sources" and tell me what nutter stories u can find about this...

    Just now
    https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a...-donald-trumps-running-mate-skids-off-runway/

    I just want to know whats being said in your alternative underground 'thinking' media
     
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    Assassination attempt by George Bush!

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    Again? :(
     
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    Until that evil overlord is put in the ground along with all of his bloodline none of us are safe.
     
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    Wikipedia


     
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    I turned off the altright media as soon as they started leaning further and further towards isolationist socialism. I imagine it might Be getting portrayed as a possible assassination attempt. in an attempt to make the people rise up, so they can be efficiently Crushed and then there is an armed rebellion and an excuse to impose police state.
    But that's just my thoughts on the matter. i'm sure yours are different.

    How you still fail to see that the media is lying thru it's teeth.
    I just don't get it. It confused me.
     
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    You get the stake, I will get the hammer!

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    that is what the police state looks like.
    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5Cls8tq[/youtube]
     
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    Daily Reckoning

     
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