On the US presidential election 2016

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  1. Jim4silver

    Jim4silver Well-Known Member

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    Hello all just wanted to drop in and make a quick post. In thinking about our upcoming election here I have a "theory" that I believe has a decent chance of taking place, and it is something that is not really talked about by the political pundits right now. Some of my PM bull friends think this idea is crazy, but here it is.

    I believe that Hillary will be indicted, or in the alternative face charges less than felonies for all the email, etc stuff, which will cause her to back out of the election. At some point shortly after that, vice prez Biden will enter the race as the democratic candidate. By law, he can do that if he announces either at or prior to the democrat convention. In other words, due to his current position he doesn't have to go through the primaries and such like the others do.

    Hillary cannot win at this point and I believe they are keeping her in now (holding off on charges and taking their time in the investigation) to allow her take the brunt of the flak from Trump, etc. They will never let Sanders be the candidate and Biden is very well liked among democrat voters and has virtually no baggage that can be dug up and exposed (unlike Hillary). Biden is the only one in the group that might be able to defeat Trump I believe.

    PS I have voted democrat my entire life (I skipped the past few prez elections) but will vote Trump if he gets the nomination (he should at this point). He is not a real "republican" in my opinion (which is why I will vote for him) but thankfully he's not a progressive lib like Sanders and like Hillary is pretending to be to get the nomination. I don't think Trump can necessarily save us, but it is nice as a life-long American to have a candidate actually talk about making things better here in the US and putting us first, instead of going around the world apologizing for the US and saying bad things about it, like one or more US politicians do right now. I really like how he talks about other countries paying us for all the crap we do for them (protect them with our military, etc), especially our oil rich "allies" in the mid-east. He probably won't keep many of his promises like most politicians though.

    To the non US folks here who think they understand US politics, you have no clue the groundswell of support for Trump even in the past few months. People I spoke to who hated the thought of Trump months ago (many of my relatives- life long democrats) now want to vote for him. The more you see the non Americans waving their own home countries' flags here in the US to protest Trump at his conventions, the more support he gets. See the below video for an example of what I mean. This stuff is going on at Trump's conventions and his support just keeps growing.

    Warning: The below video has some bad language:

    http://www.theamericanmirror.com/shock-video-children-flip-off-shout-expletives-at-trump-supporters/

    Just my opinion.

    Jim
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Thanks Jim, I'm mixed on Trump. Obviously he is the only candidate from the majors I would prefer, but that's like making a decision between getting castrated and getting my arms chopped off. The danger for us of a Trump victory is that it would leave our defence capabilities exposed, as we cannot afford to protect a country the size of Australia, with our current military resources. But, I'd be more than happy to see the US reduce its military footprint worldwide as I believe they contribute to much of the world's political turmoil.

    So, long term I think a Trump victory is the best for everyone as it may provide the catalyst for a systemic reset, short term though I worry that the radical opponents of Trump's visions(?) will do everything in their power to force their views onto the unwilling.
     
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    :rolleyes: What do u do? Kill millions around the world for your own internal corperate intereats. Then when they get mad. Kill more of them for getting mad. Then set up hundreds of permanent bases in those countries so u can control their governments like a puppet. Your right.. we should pay u for helping the world from the problems u created in the first place. America wants those bases. U think we requested them?? :lol: . Trump is a bafoon, u think he will leave the countries if they dont pay the US? Lol. Out of the 600-900 (depends whos talking) bases around the world u have. If given a choice to pay up or keep all of your Trojan Horses.. u would have close to 0 bases outside of the US.
     
  4. Jim4silver

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    I wish our country/military would STOP interfering in other countries' affairs. That includes using our military to save or invade (unless they are a direct threat to our country). I think less intelligent folks think that US citizens like myself really have any say in what the Gov decides to do. We can vote for whomever we want and when they get in they do whatever they want. Trump may not be any different but at least I like his rhetoric for the most part. That's about all we've got anymore.

    If you really think about it you will realize the "corporate interests" are international - much more broad that just the US alone. But that is a whole separate matter. If you took a survey of US citizens, the number that approve our military intervening in other countries is extremely small today.

    Just my opinion.

    Jim
     
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    What?! I don't believe it. You live in a democracy and the people in positions of power do things you didn't ask for or don't agree with? Perish the thought.
     
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    I said in another thread that people underestimate the power of the American people once they realise they are the majority of people in America and minority groups are just that! minority groups.

    America can be great again and day by day everyday people are realising that they hold the power to make it happen not mega rich career politicians. This is why I have always believed Trump will romp it in unless there is another magic bullet or Obama declares another term and remains President due to a crises.

    Its time for change but change that matters to the vast majority of Americans not change that matters to everyone outside uSA that leaves US citizens out of work homeless and on food stamps with zero future prospects.

    I have been to uSA quite a few times and have seen it steadily go down hill and loose its uniqueness.

    Personally I want to see American made Levis on sale everywhere in Australia. :)
     
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    Most Americans are good decent people but are easily misled by US government propaganda into wars. But they started to wake up after the Iraq disaster. And recently I saw an article/poll that said most Americans are now turning to alternative media for their news. Good!

    Biggest problem with America has always been it's warmonger Government, military industry complex, secret service, banksters, ect. All those that benefit from wars. If American citizens got rid of all them somehow it be good for Americans and for the world too. But those in power there will never let that happen.
     
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    Last time I was in USA I had the feeling that it was a bit like pre-war Berlin. Lots of guns and uniforms around and an incredible border crossing.

    That said, the Republic, which I admire greatly, was usurped with the PATRIOT Act, and probably in actual practice, by a shadow government following the assassination of Kennedy.

    Obama has shown that high hopes and demagoguery aren't enough to be a good Emperor. It is definitely not an entry level position for a gifted populist, which Trump, like Obama definitely is.

    It now looks like the bread and circuses show of the Republican Primary has been supplanted by the Trump steamroller. There's not a potential candidate to replace him in sight, and he'll probably win in a landslide unless they divide his base by running someone that can appeal to the head shaking Republicans who'd rather stay at home getting drunk than hit the voting booth for Trump.

    Over on the Democratic side, the only candidate that looks like running is the disaster of Clinton with all her scandals, lies and grim demeanour. The Democratic Party process is a bit more controlled than the Republicans and so there's every possibility that the Machine will throw Clinton under a bus and draft someone else for the actual election. Clinton is such a liability that she's almost handing votes to Trump with every denial of wrongdoing she makes. If Trump puts a woman beside him as Vice President then Clinton has lost one of her final winning points (electorally!).

    I can see a situation where Clinton is, if not indicted, at least cast out and the Party simply puts Biden as the nominee - which they can do without reference to their Democratic Convention Delegates once Sanders, Clinton and Biden have their hats in the ring. It's a bit harder if Sanders is a distance second, but if Biden grabs only the same as Sanders, then the "Politburo" can decide the candidate.

    To keep the gender card going, they could draft Elizabeth Warren, who was asked to run but declined. She has zero respect for Clinton (or knows how the Clinton camp operates) and if Clinton was out of the picture she may agree to be nominated.

    That could give a Biden-Warren ticket against Trump and, presumably, someone like Fiorina or even Palin if a certain madness was in the air. Then it would really come down to Right Wing vs Left Wing - if such a term can actually be used in the sense of US Politics.

    Unfortunately, I see USA as being in the grip of fascism and the election of its Head of State is largely irrelevant to its actions on the world stage, although Obama has shown that Executive Orders can actually initiate some quite awful outcomes and Trump has alluded to the ability of the President to skirt Congress in this way.

    I've read that Trump had no intention of taking it this far, that it was a business and branding excercise at first, but his ego took over. That same ego could blow his chances at any moment, even if he does say things like he could shoot someone in Main Street and not lose his popularity ratings.

    IF the Democrats dump Clinton, Obama stumps for Biden and Warren is pulled on to the ticket. Then I think the Democrats would defeat Trump, but until the Democratic Convention, or Clinton's Indictment, it's all theory.
     
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    Surely if Clinton goes down then Sanders has to get the nomination. He has such a strong groundswell of grass root support that to pass over him after Clinton pulls out it would cause an uproar.

    Sanders supporters have already shown they are prepared to go a bit feral and get their hands dirty.

    BTW - I think TPTB will smooth over indictment threat and give Clinton a clear run. They may even resort to rigging the ballot. Nothing would surprise me.
     
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    I couldn't agree more Fishtaco.

    Jim
     
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    It's just like the MUPPET SHOW for me...

    :cool:
     
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    No way Clinton will get indicted. The big players are untouchable.
     
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    This. Justice Department is already stepping in and pulling the brakes, I suppose the FBI could have more power though.
    IMO there is NO WAY she will let the power slip from her cold, shrivled, unfeelings claws at this late stage. She has literally been waiting on edge for 9 years, at least, for this opportunity. Do yuo think she will let a little thing like, the law or, democracy, get in her way?

    Trump will win and the Democratic Party will tear itself apart in the process, Bernie has some fanatical fans. And I think with all the powers that Obama and Bush have been acruing over the last 16 years, the stage is set for an authority, charismatic, dictatorship. Ever read a book on how Stalin came to power? He was never meant to have so much power, it was all set up accidentally by Lenin and he just had the slyness to begin using connections.

    That power + all those people that owe Trump favours = possibility for the US to shift to a full on Cult of Personality Dictatorship.

    That's just my 2 cents though
     
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    New record for shootings last weekend in Chicago and estimated 150k gang members.

    People get ready.
     
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    And avoid crowds.
     
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    If Trump get elected he should increase his bodyguard by 100 fold. Beware the ides of March. :)

    Regards Errol 43
     
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    He'll have that covered.

    Personally, I'd be thinking more about moving out of the populated areas.
     
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    Its all about growth and prosperity that makes patriotism in uSA but Patriotism has been allowed to slide into decay for the average American over the past few decades and I am not sure they will let it slide to the bottom,in fact I believe this is as far as it will slide.

    Americans seem to hold their constitution dear and are taught it as such but many of late have realised just how much of that constitution has been eroded under their noses firmly buried in an iphone as distraction.

    How many Aussies even know anything about their own constitution? mostly only those who need to learn it as to be able to answer questions correctly when applying to becoming a new Australian! In fact "most" Australians dont even know the words to their own National Anthem and dont even care they dont know them!

    Nothing wrong with wanting great working for great and being great given the chance especially when you thought you were still already great then realised you lost it along the way! Trump right or wrong is now "that chance" being offered to the majority uSA population and they will take it. :)
     
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    "I can't [understand it]. He is a demagogue who seems to appeal to the lowest common denominator"
    - Stephen hawking

    demagogue
    noun
    a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument.

    Once again, stephen hawking and my self are on the ball about the same things. Except that i had to look up 'demagoge' and i find it hard to understand all his space and math stuff.
     
  20. Jim4silver

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    Yes, it's much better to let the progressive libs and socialists tell us what is good for us. Just like they are doing in Europe with the wonderful addition of the new "citizens" that fit in so well plus other things that go on in places there.

    I am sure you socialists on this board think the current US prez is doing a "great job"? Here is Trump 20+ years ago. His message hasn't changed much unlike the career politicians. I'll take a strong leader over the passive/aggressive, progressive/socialist type metrosexuals any day. They'd rather fight for trannies to use the bathroom of their choice instead of making the country great again.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZpMJeynBeg

    Just my opinion.

    Jim
     
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