NSW bush fires

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  1. 66rounds

    66rounds Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    What is this a forecast of?
     
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    STKR Well-Known Member

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    The deagel.com website predicts population and GDP (and other things) for each country. On their website, Australia has a predicted population of 15 Million by 2025, and the USA has a predicted population of 100 million.

    Their response when asked about why the population will be reduced significantly in each country is in the link I posted with my comment. It's the coloured text at the bottom of the page.
     
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    The 60-90% virus fatality rate was factored into their 2017 estimates .How could they estimate this without some kind of prior knowledge. Fast forward to today and we are now seeing incidents corona virus , bubonic plague , ebola and swine flu............
     
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    I hope these farmers win......not sure they will against the Govt but I'm glad to see them having a crack.

    'We saw this coming for years': Farmers take legal action after fires

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw...legal-action-after-fires-20200206-p53ygl.html

    Alexandra Smith
    February 6, 2020 — 11.53pm

    Six farmers are preparing to take legal action against the state government, arguing a massive bushfire in northern NSW could have been prevented if more hazard reduction had been allowed.

    In what could be the first class action after this summer's horror bushfire season, graziers hit by the August blaze in the Guy Fawkes National Park, west of Coffs Harbour, say it was "a disaster waiting to happen".

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    Farmers in northern NSW are considering legal action against the state government.Credit:AAP

    Beef farmer Tony Brazier, who lives just outside Guyra, said fuel loads in the park had been allowed to reach dangerous levels because "everyone is too scared to burn anything".

    "I could see that the trouble was building for a number of years, it was just too dangerous and so this was always going to happen," Mr Brazier, who runs about 600 head of Angus beef cattle, said.

    Mr Brazier said since cattle had been prohibited from grazing in national parks, the fire threat had increased significantly resulting in a firestorm that tore through the park.

    "But the big problem is that there was just no burning, everyone is too scared to burn anything because they think they will end up in jail," he said.

    The Bees Nest fire started on August 30 and turned into the first mega fire of the season, eventually burning all the way to Coffs Harbour.

    "We have to have more say in the future management of the park, we need manageable fire breaks and there needs to be more talk with local landholders," Mr Brazier said.

    He said his business would take years to recover, after losing kilometres of fencing as well as land that was critical for grazing.

    As the Nats fight our their leadership spill, Canberra honour those that have lost in this bushfire season.

    The lawyer representing the farmers, Peter Jackson, said some graziers were seeking compensation while others wanted to see significant changes made to land clearing policies.

    Mr Jackson said the farmers had been told by National Parks that the fire was "blacked out", meaning extinguished, after three days only for a burning log to roll down a hill and reignite it.

    It then quickly became a firestorm that swept across the state.

    "My clients have been fighting fires for decades but they say they have never seen anything like it," Mr Jackson said.

    "They want to protect the biodiversity of the national park and certainly don't want to destroy it but since the park has been locked up, the fuel loads have increased significantly."

    Bushfire policy has been a bitterly divisive issue for the Berejiklian government, with Environment Minister Matt Kean and Nationals leader John Barilaro repeatedly clashing over the issue.

    Hazard reduction has been particularly contentious, with Mr Barilaro saying not enough hazard-reduction burning had been done in national parks to manage the fuel load.

    Agriculture Minister Adam Marshall also said the government needed to look at "a variety of ways to reduce fuel loads in national parks and all public land", including "permitting stock grazing".

    The state government has launched an independent expert review into the season and its terms of reference include looking at appropriate land clearing and other hazard reduction.

    Mr Jackson said the government should hold public inquiries to allow those like his clients to have their say in what needs to change to stop another catastrophic fire season.

    A spokesman for the Department of Planning, Industry and Environment, which has oversight of National Parks, said: "As this is now a legal matter, it is not appropriate to comment".


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    Alexandra Smith is the State Political Editor of The Sydney Morning Herald.
     
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    I found this very interesting. It's a screen shot from a time-lapse of the Badger Forest Rd Bushfire near Narooma, showing these massive trails coming from the bushfire heading towards the coast.

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    I doubt a fire could burn in a relatively straight line over such distances. It could just be a glitch, but the fire map shows it burning rapidly along the path of those lines in a very short timeframe...
    Very unusual.
     
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    Oddjob Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Now that is interesting from a "that's weird perspective".

    Some of the images / data we see from Govt / NGO web sites can be quite strange sometimes. Just look at the weird radar images that appear on the BOM site sometimes. NFI what they are but it don't look like rain clouds to me. Issues with radar / satellite images...???? strange none the less like the images on your fire map.

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    Suspect website citing suspect data. For example their explanation written in 2014 of how they arrive at their predictions includes citing Dagong, the Chineses ratings agency.

    Three years later (2017) Dagong was suspended by authorities in Beijing, yes, the CPC, for corruption and issuing false ratings, in other words lying in exchange for cash. Dagong issued an apology.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/eco...ng-agency-dagong-suspended-after-cash-ratings

    Someone should have a quiet word with the owners of Deagel that they may need to update their explanation of how they arrive at predictions - or at least pretend they'd never heard of Dagong. o_O LMAO
     
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    When it rains, it pours! :D So long fires.
     
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    get ready for fish kills and erosion
     

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