NSW bush fires

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  1. Jim4silver

    Jim4silver Well-Known Member

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    Um, no.

    You are like those blaming the US for the taking down of the Ukraine plane. It is not the government that set the fire, it was 24 of YOUR OWN CITIZENS who did it. I'm not counting those who dropped cigs or had campfires go bad, etc.

    According to news articles previously posted, 24 have been arrested for INTENTIONALLY setting fires. There have been major fires on the US west coast that did millions in damage and destruction with the cause being 1 intentionally set fire in the past, imagine what 24 of those could cause in different locales. I bet it wasn't right wing conservatives doing it?

    Why not ask the question about what would inspire someone to intentionally burn their own land knowing the damage it could cause? My personal guess is a bunch of Jussie Smollet style fakers who can't prove man made climate change with science so they go out and try to create some "evidence".
     
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    You've missed it sorry Jim.

    The Greens are a political party. Those concerned with the environment are often called greenies, or tree-huggers.

    The issue I'm referring to is the blame placed upon these "greenies" for the opposition by some, to burning areas of so-called'sensitive' forest to reduce available fuel.

    The window of burning off opportunity has been reducing over the past few years due to weather patterns (described as climate change by most), which make this process of fuel reduction hazardous.

    Government funding provides crews and experts to ensure safe burning off. The reduction in funding, in some areas to 25% of previous levels has meant that fewer fuel reduction burns have been happening. This has been due to lack of opportunity, not, as propagandised by some, as political opposition by "greenies".

    I think you've mistaken this angle in my post for the lowlife scumbag pyromaniacs and arsonists who unfortunately share this earth with decent and heroic firefighters.

    As for blaming "greenies" for arson, they have their more than fair share of deluded dreamers, but very, very few would set fires knowing cute koalas would be pushed further toward extinction.

    Those who set fires knowing the bushfire potential are mentally sick and should be put down in my merciless view. I've helped fight fires and I've put down burned livestock. Anyone who'd intentionally cause bushfires is not fit for society.
     
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    koalas are trees huggers
    ,poorly cooked
    some arsonist handy work
    so bad it had been for oz land
    hell had been too hot, so there are some at work drill many holes to put water in to help hell
    evil at work again
     
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    alor Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    what happen with the US number? moved to China
     
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    These numbers are nothing but estimates by some random body and should not be taken as gospel or believed .....

    Short answer in a nut shell and my conspiracy fact guess only is genocide/population reduction. Sustainability as too many people on the planet.

    A bunch of people want to take total CONtrol of the world .The US and other 5 eye countries are to be victims of the elite/cabal CONtrolled CONspiracy United Nations Agenda 21/2030 .Cabal//elite CONtrolled United Nations Agenda 21/2030 is lawfull genocide by many different methods and agreed to by the all of the elite/cabal CONtrolled governments of virtually all countries of the world including the Aussie government , suppoted by both LNP and ALP. The 5 eyes developed world christian dominant countries are falsely being blamed for climate change/global warming and so 5 eyes must pay for damage caused.
     
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    I put the blame at actual public environmental management policy. I've also seen the irreparable damage done to a fire-sensitive ecosystem by reckless volunteer rural firefighters with an axe to grind, but that's another story.

    Decades of environmental mismanagement based upon poor science has resulted in much of our public lands being choked with weeds/thick undergrowth resulting in localised extinctions, the proliferation of invasive fire-sensitive species eg brush box as well as increased risk of fire and biological hazard. We've touched on this in another thread, but basically public environmental management policies don't take into account the dynamic nature of ecosystems. Rather they're often developed around a point in time view of what the particular ecosystem may have once looked like prior to the arrival of humans or worse, the values that the managers of these ecosystems wish to pursue.

    Budgetry constraints are always going to hit our capacity to react to environmental disasters, but they're magnified when the management policies are shit to begin with. As an example, the Bush Heritage owned Carnarvon Station in Central Qld is managed to keep the impact of the two greatest threats to a minimum. One is biological - wild pigs and the other is environmental - wild fire. The native grasslands and open wooded forests of Carnarvon Station are carefully managed to keep the impact of fire and pigs as low as possible. Pigs and fire take precedence over all other concerns on that reserve because of budgetary constraints, other issues are dealt with as time permits eg fences to keep neighbouring stock out, weed species etc but the two priorities are not compromised. Contrast that with the neighbouring Ka Ka Mundi National park and the evidence is clear that the management policies regarding fire are compromised. In fact, if you asked National Parks what their top priorities are you'd probably get a very vague response.

    It has been argued that in the USA the deliberate policy response of "let it burn" has been the chief culprit in causing widespread devastation, though some would dispute this. I'm sure it's no different here. Budgets are constrained only as far as the will of those who write and enact the policy and if the policies are twisted money are assets are going to be ineffectively deployed.
     
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    So this morning the first news article i read was about a NZ book that is claimed as a bible by the far right.
    The book it is claimed is revered by the KKK and terrorists and guys upset with life in general.
    The article explained how the man who wrote it was a dedicated "socialist democrat" and a member of the Labour party in Australia.
    What struck me was that even though the guy was a self declared socialist democrat and a member of the Aus labour party that they still had the audacity to call him a acclaimed figure for the "FAR RIGHT"
    Anyway after reading that garbage i started reading about mass protests in Australia about the bush fires and all i could think was what in the F is protesting going to do?
    They claim the protesters wanted SM to quit because his views on climate change had somehow created these fires and he and his government should take full responsibility.
    It seems so DUMB to me that they can have this view and believe it.
    It only takes a small amount of time on google or slightly longer at the library to see that Australia has been suffering fires since year dot.
     
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  8. alor

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    call in the fire hell drones, blow up the dams???
    when China built the three Gorgeous there were some noise from here
    but when OZ built the dams, never hear anything

    must be the self hat-ing facebook people
    Trump warns Tehran against censorship… as Facebook ‘thought police’ censors pro-Iran posts ‘to comply with US sanctions’ https://www.rt.com/news/478044-instagram-iran-trump-censorship/
     
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    Ask the residents of Nowa Nowa how they feel about environmentalists (aka Greenies) stopping back burning / fire mitigation activities last year.

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    Spring burns kill baby birds, Summer burns kill baby kids when they get trapped in the car trying to escape on the only road out of town.
     
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    the 1st half of that sentence is false, the other half is true.
     
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    You're kidding surely.

    Two old biddies with cardboard signs who "hoped" they wouldn't get arrested!
     
  13. sodl

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    STKR said

    Aluminium, Barium and Strontium oxides is apparently what they use.

    I have actually tested the rain water for these elements after a heavy period of "seeding" and found above average levels in the samples I tested. But the levels found in the samples were still declared as Non-Toxic by the company conducting the tests - 'ALS Environmental'.

    I did these test after reading of other similar tests taken and their results revealing much higher levels of these elements.

    Aluminium, barium and Strontium, like other elements, appear in our atmosphere naturally. Even traces of silver showed up in the rain water sample I tested, but at much lower levels (measured in Parts per billion instead of parts per million).

    ____________________________________________________________

    I wonder when chemtrailing began in Australia. Possibly around 2013 which is about the time they started using HAARP and it started showing up on BOM radar and started being reported by people on Youtube. Planes have been blanketing the Aussie landmass with chemtrails . Also I have heard that
    The government previously made it mandatory for all commercial and passenger aircraft to add Aluminium , Barium and Strontium to their fuel. Aviation companies were told it was needed for cloud seeding.

    Well here is something interesting.
    Alumiim Oxide , Barium and Strontium are all used in the manufacture of SPARKLERS.
    So our continent has been saturated with SPARKLER DUST/POWDER for quite a while now. Great prep for planned EXPLOSIVE BUSHFIRES !!!
    Below is taken from WIKIPEDIA re SPARKLERS and what is in them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparkler

    Composition[edit]
    Sparklers are generally formed around a thin non-combustible metallic wire, about 8-12 inches long, that has been dipped in a thick batter of slow-burning pyrotechnic composition and allowed to dry. The combustible coating contains these components, one or more of each category:[4]

     
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    So I guess you didn't read the article about Greenie protesters stopping the back burning in the area last year.
     
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    You’re joking right? For decades more and more state forest has been getting locked up. Fire trails Shut down to the public and now over grown. Infested with weeds. Environmentalists infest all of these national parks organisations. In 2003 when the big Victorian bushfire was headed towards large forests in Gippsland, when fire crews showed up in Goongerah with heavy equipment to clear fire breaks greenies chained themselves to the equipment to “save the forest” from them. So the fire fighters cleared out. So did the hippies the next day when the sun didn’t rise because of the smoke. It never made the news but I know because I arrived several days later with my team and did some of the work the fire fighters went there to do. Every RFS we spoke to during that fire pointed straight at National Parks greenies as the reason those fires were unstoppable. It wasn’t even up for debate on the ground. The cause wasn’t climate change. The cause was massive amounts of fuel loads built up due to lack of fuel reduction burns and state policies that made it so bureaucratic and cumbersome (and expensive) for land owners to clear fire breaks and manage their land properly.

    Something like 1% of NSW National parks gets reduction burns on it every year and 4% of state forests. Sure, some of the planned burns don’t get done due to conditions but that is ZERO excuse. If conditions are regularly hampering burns then more needs to be burnt when conditions are right. How we go about getting to that point, funding, Human Resources, equipment etc is up for debate and up for state governments to overcome. But the targeted area numbers of burns is absolutely atrocious across the entire country.

    If you want to blame climate change or any other phenomena for longer dry seasons, reduced appropriate times for reduction burns then fine. That only increases the responsibility on state governments to do more to burn more when times are appropriate. That only increases the need for state and local governments to stop this ridiculous environmental blame game and green tape and huge fines when land owners manage their land to stop fires.

    edit: it’s shit like this that needs to stop. A perfect example on the land owner side of Guy is probably bankrupt now. All for curing an adequate fire break, that one government department told him he was able to do. Pressure needs to bear heavily on the department that investigated and prosecuted him and burn their rule books. It’s these people that are literally killing people with their policies.

    https://www.beefcentral.com/news/ql...d-1m-penalty-for-making-fire-breaks-too-wide/

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/2020/01...olled-burning-could-have-protected-australia/

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-cutting-trees-supports-hazard-reduction.html

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...d/news-story/1d3e7aaae5d1340c7875d75f75048e48

    what more evidence do you need? Or you just prefer to get your info from the Guardian?
     
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  16. GoldenEye

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    This is all going to plan according to "UN Agenda 21", which most of our councils have adopted. :(
     
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    When the Royal Commission starts, can you please send a written account to the Royal Commissioners. If may relate to 2003 but the actions and outcomes have been the same this time around...again.
     
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    Oddjob Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    On SMH just now...

    Firefighters union slams plans for federal royal commission into fires

    They want an audit of the past reviews and Royal Commissions.......Now that could make current and former State politicians a tad nervous.

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...al-commission-into-fires-20200115-p53rkx.html

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    The Australian firefighters union has attacked Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s plan for a royal commission into this summer’s disastrous bushfires, instead calling for an audit of recommendations from previous inquiries.

    The United Firefighters Union of Australia described the prime minister’s proposal as a costly and time-consuming process that would be emotionally gruelling for witnesses forced to relive the trauma of the fires.

    The union for professional firefighters argues the proposed royal commission would have no binding powers while just duplicating recommendations made in previous reviews.

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    United Firefighters Union chief Peter Marshall.Credit:AAP

    It wants the Council of Australian Governments to oversee an audit of recommendations from other federal and state inquiries into past bushfire events.

    The union’s national secretary, Peter Marshall, said there had been at least 15 bushfire-related inquiries in the past 20 years.

    “In many cases, the recommendations of these expensive, time-consuming and comprehensive reviews remain yet to be implemented,” he said.

    Mr Marshall, who also leads the union’s militant Victorian branch, said the role of climate change, military deployment, prescribed burning and fuel reduction and the role of the Commonwealth had previously been canvassed in other reviews.

    On the weekend Mr Morrison said he would take his plan for a royal commission to his cabinet.

    The Victorian government announced on Tuesday it would launch its own immediate review of the preparation and response to the current bushfire crisis.

    Premier Daniel Andrews has allocated $2.55 million to that inquiry by Inspector-General for Emergency Management Tony Pearce, who will deliver a first report before the next fire season with a second report due in 2021.

    Across Australia, bushfires since August have killed 28 people, burnt through an estimated 18,626,000 hectares, and destroyed more than 2200 homes, as of January 14, 2020.
     
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    Royal commisions have become a running joke in Australia. Eventually we will have a royal commission on royal commissions.
     
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    Royal Commission:

    How to appear to act.
     
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