NSW bush fires

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  1. mmm....shiney!

    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    That’s how free-markets operate. No need for coercion, just individuals with an innate desire to satisfy need exchanging their time and skills for others.
     
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    Yes the amazing free market where 1% carry the other 99% :rolleyes:
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    I like that. Very accurate.
     
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    doesn't government pay for their equipment.
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    I thought we were talking about volunteering.
     
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    Without the equipment the volunteers would be useless.
     
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    Thank heavens the impact didn’t break their windscreen.

    Heroes run towards the fire, Greenies run away.
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    What’s that got to do with the free market?

    You don’t get volunteers in a coerced workforce, only in a free market.
     
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    Everything.
     
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    Apparently front truck was out of water or cabin sprayers were non functional, so they were trying to bug out whilst also cover that white Ute that had no crew protection. Hindsight is everything but if communication was better the rear truck would have cover the front and the front covered the Ute in a triple stack. Guess when you're staring in to hell no one can fault you for losing situational awareness.

    They wouldn't even be there in harm's way if they were able to burn off in winter.
     
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    Applying your logic then a free market doesn’t exist in road transport because the government provided the roads, a free market doesn’t exist in air travel because the government funds the construction of airports, a free market doesn’t exist in shipping because governments built ports...

    A free market exists where people voluntarily exchange value.
     
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    That's pretty intense and scary stuff.....Makes me wonder / question if the State Govt or relevant rural fire service provide these brave volunteers counseling services post such events / deployment as I suspect many a rural bush fire volunteer would have been through some harrowing experiences which may result in PTSD.....or does the Govt just say thanks, pat ya on the back and send you home like they do to our brave troops coming back from active service.
     
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    It’s not much, but I guess they could use this money for something.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...-firefighters-up-to-6000-20191228-p53nbg.html
     
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    the saboteurs should find out that when their houses are on fire, the fireman turn up hose-less
     
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    How do you know it was greenies?
     
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    Here's an article from the SMH I didn't expect to see..............

    ‘It's miraculous’: Owners say cultural burning saved their property

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...ing-saved-their-property-20200103-p53okc.html

    Phil Sheppard watched with trepidation as a giant blaze approached his beloved Hunter Valley property outside Laguna, near Cessnock.

    The Aboriginal elder had poured his heart and soul into Ngurrumpaa - an isolated 160-acre bushland property with a main house and several huts, offering cultural camps for tourists and Indigenous youth.

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    The fire came within metres of the main house on Leanne King and Phil Sheppard's property in the Hunter Valley. Credit:Rhett Wyman

    Three weeks ago, he and other owners were forced to evacuate, helplessly watching online as the Gospers Mountain fire converged with the Little L Complex fire and appeared to engulf the property.

    To his amazement, when he returned two days later, traversing the long gravel driveway on foot after fallen trees blocked vehicle access, most structures remained perfectly intact.

    “I came around the bend and could see my hut still standing, I just couldn't believe it,” said the 66-year-old.

    “It burnt right around the house ... it was as if somebody had been here watching it and putting it out, but there wasn't, there was nobody here at all.”

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    Another hut, outside the cultural burn area, was completely destroyed. Credit:Rhett Wyman

    Owners say the property was saved by the traditional Indigenous technique of cultural burning conducted on their land three years ago.

    The only hut not protected by cultural burning, 500 metres from the main house, was destroyed in the blaze.

    “It's pretty miraculous,” said co-owner Leanne King, 60.

    “This is proof that [cultural burning] works.”

    Aboriginal cultural fire practitioner Dennis Barber led a series of cultural burns on six hectares of bushland at Ngurrumpaa in 2015 and 2016 - the first burns in the area since a wildfire swept through in 1994.

    "There's nothing more powerful than doing it and feeling like you're doing the right thing, and seeing the results," he said.

    Unlike hazard reduction burning, cultural burns are cooler and slower moving, usually no taller than knee height, leaving tree canopies untouched and allowing animals to take refuge from the flames. Small fires are lit with matches, instead of drip torches, and burn in a circular pattern.

    Mr Barber says the ancient practice is informed by thousands of years of traditional knowledge.

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    Dennis Barber says properties across NSW and Australia could benefit from cultural burning. Credit:Rhett Wyman

    “It's more than just putting the fire on the ground - it's actually knowing the country, knowing what's there … the soil types, the geology, the trees, the animals, the breeding times of animals, the flowering times of plants,” he said.

    The timing and frequency of burns depend on the environmental “system”.

    A former park ranger with 15 years’ professional firefighting experience, Mr Barber says he had a “light bulb moment" at a cultural burning workshop with Indigenous elders in far north Queensland in 2010.

    “Everything that I'd been doing as a professional firefighter, thinking that I was doing the right thing, was wrong, because I viewed fire in the landscape totally differently after that week,” he said.


    Work being done by Plateau Trees fells dangerous burning trees near Milton on the Princes Highway.

    “That's where I got the bug to come back and actually spread that knowledge and see it happening in other parts of Australia.”

    The Wiradjuri man started Koori Country Firesticks in 2016 to promote cultural burning as an alternative to hazard reduction techniques in NSW. The organisation has culturally burnt around 50 hectares of land across the Hunter Valley and Sydney, mainly on private properties at the request of owners.

    But the 55-year-old has met plenty of resistance from governments, professional firefighters, national parks and even ecologists.

    “It's been a little bit frustrating, but I've just decided I'm not going to let that stand in the way anymore,” he said.

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    A reduced fuel load helped subdue the fire as it approached Ngurrumpaa.Credit:Rhett Wyman

    Aside from Ngurrumpaa, Mr Barber says another patch of culturally-burnt land at Mangrove Mountain on the Central Coast also escaped last month’s fire unscathed. He hopes these recent results will help to win over the sceptics.

    “You've got a patch of green surrounded by blackened country, and that's completely attributable to the cultural burning that we did,” he said.

    “It's important that people recognise that it is valid, it does work, and what we're looking for is some support for this from higher levels of government.”

    Mr Barber says Aboriginal people should be better resourced to lead the implementation of cultural burning across NSW and Australia, alongside existing fire authorities.

    “We're still going to need [Rural Fire Service] volunteers and paid firefighters to do the work they're doing,” he said.

    “I'm not saying it's the answer - I'm saying it's part of the answer.”

    This article is brought to you with the support of the Judith Neilson Institute for Journalism and Ideas.
     
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    Aboriginal people are clearly a whole lot smarter than inner-city Greenies.
     
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