NBN, Which Team has the best plan for the future ?i

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  1. Shaddam IV

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    Malcolm's MTM version is not much cheaper and it's not going to arrive much sooner either, but worst part is that it doesn't have a proper upgrade path.
     
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    Yes, wireless is useless for streaming and other real time stuff. It always will be, there are too many environment variables.
     
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    It's far worse than that. The previous NBN CEO has just come out with extensive data that shows how incredibly bad Turnbull's politically-motivated solution really is. It is damming.

    Slides: http://networkedsociety.unimelb.edu..._file/0007/1996261/MNSI_Telsoc_Text_Final.pdf

    And an article:
     
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    From the first page:

     
  6. errol43

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    Seems like we now have the 60th fastest in NBN ...Internet traffic has increased by 5 times over the past 5 years and is expected to do so again in the next 5 years..

    Everytime we have heavy rain, up here in Bundaberg, out drops the satellite link for even TV.

    Cable to the home is the only way for an innovative broadband network IMO.

    As a politician recently said on Q & A, Do it right, Do it now and do it with cable.

    Regards Errol 43
     
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    Turnbull's motive isn't political, it's economic.
     
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    Fibre to every premises in Australia is fine and achievable as long as everyone doesn't mind paying $300.00 a month for Internet access for the next decade.
     
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    Then he really has made a complete hash of it.

    Mike Quigley's speech posted above goes into detail about how badly the Coalition got the numbers wrong.
     
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    I don't believe for a second that the cost of rolling out fibre is decreasing. Unless I missed the massive reduction in pay rates in Australia and the end of the unions.
     
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    And yet Quigley is able to demonstrate that NBN Co (according to their own leaked documents) was able to decrease FTTP costs by 12% using "skinny fiber", that the Kiwi's were able to decrease their FTTP costs by 29% (with more projected savings to come) and Verizon in the U.S. was able to decrease their FTTP costs by 38% in 2006, before the NBN was even conceived.
     
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    Having been connected to wireless NBN for 6 months, I would question that claim.
    Our house hold has 5 PCs, 5 iPads, 4 iPhones, 1 Xbox and 4K UHD internet TV all streaming through our wireless NBN wifi router (often simultaneously) without an issue. No buffering, no resolution downgrades, no issues in bad weather. In fact, since day 1 the kids have ensured we burn 1Tb of download per month.
     
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    Is that wifi delivery to the house, or a wifi modem in the house?
     
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    Wifi modem in the house.
     
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    Modern wifi modems are much faster than any internet service to the premises. It's pretty hard to saturate a decent wifi router.
     
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    As soon as this useless Coalition NBN is built, we will spend billions more rebuilding it the right way which is FTTP.
     
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    Even the basic question is flawed. It's not Copper, Fibre, pick one. It's a universe out there, and the optimum solution will vary by customer and (gasp) their willingness to pay.

    Before we even get started, there are many different fibre possibilities. But the real fun and games comes in how you deal with the virtual or physical connections. When you wire up a CBD, you do not put an individual fibre into every building, or floor, of office. The base design is usually physical loops designed to cover the hot-spots. Why, because contrary to popular belief, lots of businesses don't give a stuff about data. Those that do vary between the 'I want my office email to work all the time' to 'I want multi-drop video broadcast to all my rural locations' to 'I need an STM-4 frame drop to four cities in Europe'.

    Guess what? All of these pay more than an 'I want 16 channels of HD porn' customer 25km from the nearest exchange in West Whoop-Whoop.

    The belief that a monopoly provider can best supply the full gamut of services under central command and control is out of the '60s paternalism playbook, and there is a strong case for a highly sophisticated and secure backbone to which numerous local suppliers can connect their technologies, whether they be ADSL on copper (leased from Telstra-in-a-box); single-mode or multi-mode fibre, elliptical waveguide, microwave balloons, yogurt cartons and string, telepathic resonance, Tesla coils, electrostatic bounce from meteor tracks, mechano/optical arrays, radio, TV overlay, collapsed probability functions, modulated laser, solar gliders, super-conductive tracks, or morse code tapped over pipes.

    About the only thing I believe as gospel is that the more political involvement, the less achievement.
     
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    Wrong! MT is always political.... he was the telco minister.... of course he doesn't want his baby to flop! Just like Gladys Berikjikli with her tramlines...eventhough 300% over budget she's still pumping our cash to it
     
  19. Shaddam IV

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    Bubble where did you dig up this old thread from?;):)
     

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