MoA ->Syria - Turks Attack Afrin, U.S. Strategy Fails, Kurds Again Chose The Losing Side

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  1. greedy Kobold

    greedy Kobold Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Interesting opinion on the conflict by Moon of Alabama
    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/0...fails-kurds-again-chose-the-losing-side-.html

    quote:
    After negotiations between Russia/Syria and the Kurds of Afrin had failed, the Russian side made a deal with Turkey. Now Turkey attacks Afrin while everyone else looks aside. The main impetus for this development was the announcement of a U.S. occupation in north-east Syria with the help of the Kurdish YPG/PKK. The occupation strategy is already failing. The Kurds made the false choice. They will be the losers of this game.

    RT
    How long will you be in Iraq & Afghanistan? Erdogan rebuffs US call to limit Afrin operation
    https://www.rt.com/news/416655-erdogan-afrin-us-iraq-afghanistan/

    Looks like another group of Kurds that trusted in US help way to much.
     
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    Gullintanni Well-Known Member

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    Yep , once again the USA use then discard a group.
    There would have been deals made by the USA and now the Kurds are going to get slaughtered.
    When will these people wake and realize this is what the USA govt does without exception.
     
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    I can't help but think that this is not going to turn out well for Turkey. It is only a matter of time before Kurdistan will feature on world maps. The only question is how large will this country be? If Turkey have made a turkey of a decision, they could lose some of their land to this new nation. It is very difficult to defeat a race of peoples that have only one thing in mind and that is a homeland. These are not paid fighters.They are fighting for a noble cause and are willing to die for it.
     
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    greedy Kobold Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Hmm, have you been busy lately?
    I mean did you just miss what happened to a powerful Kurdish anclave in Irak?
    (once they tried to take steps for independancy)

    Unfortunately, Kurds in Irak and Syria trusted to US-led coalition way too much.
    The question is who would back Kurdistan?
    or more cynical who would unite it? There are plenty of intrigues and games within the nation.

    The only scenario Kurdistan appears, if there would be forces willing to split Syria, Turkey and Irak into pieces.
    (IMHO)
     
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    greedy Kobold Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    re: referred case in Irak

    a nice article and historical summary by MoA
    By The Grace Of Israel - The Barzani Clan And Kurdish "Independence"
    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/0...he-barzani-clan-and-kurdish-independence.html

    a quote:
    Syria, Iran and Turkey have all spoken out against Kurdish independence and threatened retribution. Officially the U.S. is also against an independent Kurdish state. Israel was the only state that supported the referendum.

    obviously Barzani didn't survive that...
     
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    The Kurds are walking down a similar path as the Hmong of Laos who fought in the Secret War.
    • organized, trained and armed with the aid of the SAD (Special Activities Division)
    • used as a quasi-guerrilla force as an instrument of US foreign policy
    • unceremoniously abandoned in the name of political expediency
    Just like most of the Hmong were left to be whittled down by the NVA, the Kurds face being overrun by the Turks.

    The only factor buying the Kurds some time is incompetence in the Turkish army; unavoidable after Erdogan purged the officer corp and replaced them with sycophants and simple-minded halfwits.

    If they're ever to be a Kurdish state; they're going to need allies who are both willing and able to back them up with more than public statements.

    Israel seems to be best & only candidate; there's no lack of loathing between Ankara and Tel Aviv, and a permanent Kurdish state would weaken Syria in the long term.
     
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    cease fire with terrorists? Never

    they are firing at civilian plane landing in Darmascus from East Al-Ghouta



    why the US support the UN resolution?
    so that food can be delivered to their moderate rebels??

     
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    Moderate Rebels ?, PMSL :)

    There will never be a Kurdish state. The Best they can hope for is autonomy as they had in Northern Iraq before trying to step over the boundaries previously laid down there.
    The Kurd's will be used and abused by any and all PTB with many promises but any sort of "Kurdistan" was doomed with the Sykes/Picot scribbling some lines on a map back in 1916.

    Quite sad really as the Kurd's seem to be the only "what you see is what you get" fighting force in the whole of the region.
     
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    As usual, the MSM story doesn't seem to be the truth, that is, the awesome army of Turkey just rolling in and killing all the Kurds because the US is a boogeyman.

    This article says US sanctions to begin soon on Turkey. Perhaps this was the plan all along - to f**k with Turkey and have a seemingly legit reason to do so?

    We'll have to see how this all turns out.

    https://www.debka.com/__trashed-11/
     
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    The Turkish invasion, whilst being publicly lauded as turk aggression by Syria and Russia, is in fact being done with their blessing. No one in the middle east wants a second Israel (independent kurdistan) to contend with.

    The article is correct in stating that if Turkey want to achieve any of their aims, they will have to commit their own troops and not rely on rag tag militia forces. Of course, this means casualties, which will not bode well in Turkey. The only realistic outcome is that the kurds run back to their daddy assad and beg for semi autonomy with disarmament, Russian guarantees against aggression, and Erdogan running back home with his tail between his legs.

    And if Turkey is smart, they will be happy with that and keep fighting the mountain insurgents to distract their populace from the real issues. As long as there is no independent kurdistan, they have nothing to worry about from the pkk
     
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    I do not know whether to give you credit or condolences for your incredible prediction,sadly your were 100% correct :(

    Now I am waiting for your next prediction but no pressure :D

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    The Book of Isaiah Chapter 13 verse 6 & 7

    Wail,for the day of the Lord is at hand!

    It will come as destruction from the Almighty.

    Therefore all hands will be limp,every mans heart will melt :)
     
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    Why don’t the Kurds withdraw from the border and better still to the Iraqi border and let Turkish troops meet Syrian troops?
     
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    alor Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    there is no SAA north of the river near the border, only ISIS prisoners and YPG/J and some 2k US soldiers
     
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    The fact that Trump is withdrawing from the border area shows that the border has no strategic value.
     
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    It is of value to the kurds as any land they control if a step towards statehood. The turks will never directly engage Syrian troops, only their proxy forces will.
     
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    The answer to all life's little mysteries can be found in the Godfather....

    Michael Corleone:
    I saw a strange thing today. A rebel was being arrested by the military police. And rather than be taken alive he exploded a grenade he had hidden in his jacket.He killed himself and took a captain of the command with him. Now, soldiers are paid to fight; the rebels aren't.

    Hyman Roth:
    What does that tell you?

    Michael Corleone:
    They could win.

    As strange as it may seem.........Kurds are fighting for a homeland and have nothing to lose. When the pendulum swings back their way, it will be the Turkish border under threat.
     
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    A standing army can never win a guerilla war. Just look at the taliban in Afghanistan and FARC in columbia. When your death is a victory to the cause, the only reasonable outcome for the nation is peaceful negotiations.
     
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