"Mateship tax"

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  1. mmm....shiney!

    mmm....shiney! Administrator Staff Member Silver Stacker

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    Aus wrote about schools, trains, buses, hospitals and roads. Good to see people in the cities have the same issues as us in regional Oz. Sometimes we in regional areas get a dose of the "us and thems", feeling we don't get adequate services that are available to our city brethren. Actually it's not good to see.

    But there's an idea for the Aussie Flag thread! A new flag showing schools, buses, trains and hospitals falling apart. A common banner uniting all Australians.

    You probably wouldn't want to fight under it though.
     
  2. Forge

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    (OT) Auspm - If you liked Atlas Shrugged, the 'Wizards First Rule' series may interest you.

    JulieW - a GST doesn't target the poor more than the rich, the wholesale tax system targeted the rich over the poor. I'd actually prefer that we scaled up GST and scaled income tax down - or even got rid of it.

    The levy sounds about as poor a way of doing this as could be conceived.
     
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    BOOM HEADSHOT !!!! what a lunatic & his old man owns a gun shop ..... want a hand at the shop today dad? no son its been a slow week maybe next week lol
     
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    I laugh when I here someone say "can I borrow your toilet"

    hmm, sure mate, just put it back in the shed next to the lawn mower when you're done!
     
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    Thanks for clarifying it mate, I thought some folks were about to lose it there for a moment.

    There's absolutely nothing real about the clip. It's a long running parody and FPS Doug is one of the more colourful and memorable characters on the show.

    FPS Doug is the FPS gamer of the group and is soooooo good, he regularly gets booted from servers with admins assuming he's cheating.

    Since there are a few gamers out there, I thought the reference would add a little humour rather than 'bullseye'.

    Oh and for the record GP, I have the Leeroy achieve on my Pally. THAT is a very funny clip too if you're a WoW player (past or present). Also check the Onyxia Wipe clip on YouTube for added hilarity.


    Don't get me wrong, I'm a serious fellow on these matters in general. But the current state of our economy and politics in NSW represents nothing more than a very sad joke - I thought the reference fit fairly well.

    I wouldn't talk of assassinating the premier. The Labour cowards who carved up the state, sold it off to developer mates and completely screwed the infrastructure already put her in place to commit political suicide on their behalf.

    She's not there for anything else except to take the fall for more than a decade of miserably corrupt political policy.
     
  6. JulieW

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    What I mean is that an additional ten percent on the electricity bill for instance out of a 30k pa wage is a lot more significant than an extra ten percent on the electricity bill when you earn 100k pa. But agree on a flat across the board tax rate but I will never be convinced about the social justice in a consumption tax.

    and no one has mentioned the irony of a Flood Levy! I suppose it will end up in the Flood Levy Bank.

    And what is the first things to be cut to pay for this - environmental subsidy projects in the main.

    I expect that this will be another frenzied night for Tony Abbott chasing numbers for a vote.

    Radio was running hot with people claiming their giving to appeals will stop - just as Abbott suggested.
     
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    "Flood Levy Bank" :lol:

    Eucumbene dam shore it will.
     
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    Definitely, as a now former politics student I will be keenly watching how this unfolds, it could turn out to be the first real test of this very marginal government that labor managed to put together.

    Both sides of the argument are tenable positions to me when looking at this issue, and that means that there is no obvious 'right' way for the independents (who will swing it one way or the other) to go on this one.

    I mean when you break through the rhetoric of the two opposing sides it comes down to:

    Cut spending to fund the rebuilding.

    or

    Raise more money to fund the rebuilding.

    At the end of the day no one likes more tax, it is one of the things in life that is tolerated but not welcomed. At the moment the majority of media coverage I have seen is making light of the amount it will cost the average punter with statements like 'only X amount for those on wage Y' etc... I would be interested to know the sentiment on the streets, and whether the average punter does care about a few hundred extra or not, and if they are saying 'oh its only such a small amount'.
     
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    I suspect that is because a consumption tax is not there to perform a social justice function, just to raise funds for government.

    And yes the irony of a Flood Levy is not lost...
     
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    http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8202665

    The comments after the article especially are enlightening.
     
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    "The Flood Levy Bank - Saving for a Rainy Day"
     
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    hhahahhahah

    I've a feeling it's now going to be a *tougher* job being a furry koala waving a plastic bucket.

    "spare a dollar for the..."

    "f-off, go ask Goolia"
     
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    http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/01/28/the-levy-dividing-the-nation/

    Incidently, I wasn't caller Bill.

    But it's amazing to note who's pro levy and who's not?

    It's also worth noting strongly just WHO (as usual) will foot the bill for this :

    Hands up all those still in favour of forced austerity?

    Are we started to really see what the hell this cold hearted bastard was getting at earlier in this 'discussion'?

    Smile folks, you're all going to hand over a few ounces to the cause - and you WILL like it or else! :rolleyes:
     
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    I noticed your austerity comment before but still don't understand it.

    As to the levy I'm don't have a problem with it. As I've said before road, rail bridges all need to be fixed. People seem to be under the impression its going to bailing out people.
     
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    Considering billions of NSW tax revenue dollars have already been siphoned off to pay for other states in boom periods now for some time whilst our own infrastructure is falling to pieces for more than a decade, I personally have a real big problem with it actually.

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw-may-lose-tax-revenue-to-boom-states-20090809-ee8k.html


    NSW is ALREADY the most heavily taxed state in Australia and the biggest net donator of revenue to other states.

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    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...e-laggard-states/story-fn59niix-1225984687845

    This black swan event was always going to hurt, but further taxation won't help the situation, nor should it be the responsibility of other citizens in the nation to do so.

    Joolia and crew totally screwed up on this one and the current political backlash shows it clearly.

    We are taxing this nation to DEATH to pay for others and the people simply cannot afford it or are willing to pay for it.
     
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    I'm a smoker, so I'm used to subsidizing the healthcare of non smokers, and this levy looks like pocket change compared to the tax imposed on cigarettes.
    Cigarette tax alone would cover all the costs of the floods.
     
  18. JulieW

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    Yes indeed and that is why our society is heading where it is and why the USA is the way it is. When you separate the social good and leave it out of the equations, you end up with economic rationalism and entire generations on the scrap heap with associated negatives for society as a whole.

    The job of government may appear to be to suck up to big business and keep their bums on the seats of the government cars, but more enlightened leaders consider the social good as well as the bottom line.

    I consider that social welfare is in most cases an uncaring band aid handed out in preference to real reform and action. To my mind, a GST exemplifies the misanthropic nature of 'the love of money', and does all of us a disservice, as does an economic rationalist approach to government.

    Government should be about more than just handing out the people's taxes to your mates - whether they be socialist do-gooders OR big business.
     
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    and another thing!! lol

    Has no-one noticed that the floods are currently wreaking havoc in NW Victoria and the crisis is not ended there yet - they're still sandbagging. The surge is yet to make it's way down the Murray to South Australia. There is not a chance of costing the damage there yet.

    Did you notice that Victorian floods were not mentioned when Julia did the big announcement yesterday?

    I'm assuming they really want the Rudd voters back and so all focus there for a while so all is forgiven for ditching Rudd - but I'm very cynical. Almost as cynical as most politicians.

    'Due to the damage to Victoria we will be moving forward by increasing the rebuilding tax to cover Victoria's floods and to establish a national disaster fund for all Australians'.
     
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    as soon as i heard this it made my blood boil. Who actually believes that the government will use the tax money to help rebuild the flooded areas. Your living in dreamland. Just like those who think their rego, speeding fines, etc go to upkeep of the roads and new transport development. i think maybe it will go to things like this:

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/mo...b-rich-pay-rises/story-fn300aev-1225909630520

    or all the other bullshit perks they get

    instead of a tax maybe we can find out if this stuff is still sitting in a warehouse somewhere:

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/to...ing-in-warehouse/story-e6frf7jo-1225811538471

    what about the alleged $120m sitting in an account from black saturday that didnt get used, that could also be sent to the flood areas, im sure the people who donated the money to would be happier with that than it sitting in a bank.
     

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