Malaysian airlines plane shot down over Ukraine

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  1. lucky luke

    lucky luke Active Member Silver Stacker

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    Exciting or disgusting? Vietnam all over again perhaps?
     
  2. Stark

    Stark Active Member Silver Stacker

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    If they want to have independent investigation of the crash site I don't why then Ukrainian army wants to take it by force. All military personnel except investigators should leave the area...

    Or is this like in Syrian case, when Asad was accused of using chemical weapons and then I was discovered that actually rebels use it. And it was all quiet.
     
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    One for the conspiracy loving......:

     
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    Shaddam IV Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    DNA testing will settle that conspiracy theory.
     
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    'Fake': Russian Defence Min rebuffs US sat image claims

    http://rt.com/news/176120-fake-ukraine-images-defence/

    The Defense Ministry stated that the images posted by the US ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt on his Twitter account, allegedly proving the shelling of Ukraine from Russian territory, are "fake," ITAR-TASS reports.

    "These materials were posted to Twitter not by accident, as their authenticity is impossible to prove due to the absence of the attribution to the exact area, and an extremely low resolution. Let alone using them as 'photographic evidence'," Igor Konashenkov, the official representative of the ministry, stated.

    "Pictures" like this, the general continued, "have also been provided by Kiev representatives as an excuse for the usage of heavy artillery and other weaponry by the Ukrainian army against the country's civilian population."

    "Last Friday, Ukrainian Defense Minister Valery Geletey again tried to add a sensational side to photo collages like this in the Ukrainian media in vain. But on Sunday, the US ambassador to the Ukraine joined in, posting those satellite images on his Twitter page, which secured him the attention of the loyal Ukrainian media," the Russian ministry said.

    This scheme is called "an informational merry-go-round," Konashenkov added, using an expression commonly uttered in Russia relating to feeding the information to the media.

    "It's no secret to anyone that fakes like this are made by a group of US counselors staying in the Kiev building of the Security Council, led by General Randy Kee," he noted.

    The general outlined the cycle as follows: the US counselors in the Kiev feed the disinformation to the Ukrainian media, with the news being taken by the Washington official representatives and presented as statements.

    Afterwards, the Ukrainian media cite the US authorities and publish articles like as "objective."
     
  7. Caput Lupinum

    Caput Lupinum Active Member Silver Stacker

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    Is it "uncool" on a stackers forum to look at this tradegy and come to the conclusion that the plane was shot down due to a mixture of incompetence and vodka by whichever side shot the missile? Sure everybody is using the incident to push their own agendas since, but the act was not deliberate?
     
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    Few years ago when Serbian colonel or something hit F-117 in Serbia (when US intervened due to the Kosovo) people were making jokes that he shot it down with signal rocket.

    It's quite possible that plane was shot down accidentally. But who knows... In every war there is a lot of bullshit. And when so many different parties and interests are involved....

    Meanwhile Russia is planning to re-establish their fleet in Sevastopol by building a lot of new ships, submarines, and stuff.

    Today is 100 years since 1st world war started. I've always thought mankind would maybe learn at least something after second one.
    I guess I was naive...
     
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    So, where is the MH17 then I wonder?
     
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    When lies become truth wars of words and double think. 1984

    When the more heavy weapons are used by Ukraine, they said, the eastern free people are using this weapons against their local citizens so that people in the east will join the fight against Kiev. the opposite is actually the facts. :0 It is Kiev that shelling the civilians homes and ending lives.


    Same thing is being said by Israel vs Hamas, they said it is Hamas that actually killing the Palestinians, Israel is just doing "Operation Protective Edge", just don't know why the buildings in Gaza just keep on falling, now it is flat as ground.
     
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    Yup, 1984 is here, for a long time...

    When Janukovich went with force against riots West was full of accusations, criticism, etc. Today their puppet Poroshenko is bombing people, and West is silent.

    Fuck double standards!
     

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