You have the patience of a saint, hawkeye Looking at the comment history of "Newtosilver", it's clear that this user is some type of Rhodes Scholar. Well, I can't really speak as a "former member of the shooters party", so perhaps if I pointed out that bullets, depending on the callibre and type, will not always go though people, especially "defensive" ammo, you'd almost look silly in the point you were making, right? Whatever point that was!? You are probably right, but the real tragedy is that your genius is seemingly going to waste on this forum. ---- Poe's law?