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  1. mmm....shiney!

    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Based upon the intent of the publishers of the slogans and their target audience.

    Free speech has boundaries. A libertarian society would recognise this. It would also recognise that, to paraphrase Chris Berg*, decisions made about how people should live their lives are best made by the people involved as opposed to a distant group of bureaucrats or government ministers acting on behalf of others. DL is opposed to groups of bureaucrats making decisions on behalf of others about what constitutes offensive behaviour, he's quite forthright in his own ability in making a decision about what he considers is offensive behaviour.

    Anyway, I'm bored with this topic so if you all don't shut the turtle up I'll report it and get the Moderator to close this thread. ;)

    *The Libertarian Alternative, 2016
     
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    Based on your interpretation of their intent. It starts to get very fuzzy in that case.
     
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    SpacePete Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Actually, is it possible to request creation of your own sub-forum like the site-sponsors have and then you may have greater control over threads and be able to keep them on track?
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Then maybe it would be best to let Leyonhjelm decide if it's offensive or not, as opposed to anyone else.
     
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    Agree
     
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    I've come around to believing that is not so. Free speech is both an essential component of freedom and one that has no limits.

     
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    Woulda played out different if it wasn't out the front of his house. Been a fan of some of Chaser's earlier work but this was a bit slack. Hit him on the campaign trail, not at home. I'd react pretty defensive if ambushed on the road outside my front yard. Simple rules - leave family out of it unless the target brings them into the spotlight, and don't lay siege to a man's castle. It's the sort of shite ACA and TT do/did. Only Kiribili house is fair game, and good luck pulling a stunt like that there without at least a stiff fine to write off on the ABC budget.

    Anyways, Chaser is all played out. Checkout is informative but annoying or a yawn at best. Shaun Micalef is on his own is 100x as good as the Chaser crew combined.
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Anything that is peaceful.

    The assumption when talking about free speech in a Libertarian context is that one person or individual does not use the power of the State to gain advantage over another.
     
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    Inciting others to murder? You happy to see someone's right to do that enshrined in the legal system and protected?
     
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    ^ Well said BB. Pretty much nails my line of thinking as well.
     
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    They were among my 6.
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Looks like Leyonhjelm will lose his job and The Senate will be absolutely chocker-block with big government supporters - we'll have Libs, Labor and a host of absolute nutjobs. Back to the polls before Xmas :(

    PS: buy gold
     
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    So you are actually a Libertarian?
     
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    What has happened to this thread?!

    Julie is advocating free speech and smiley and bord are advocating limiting it to protect hurt feelings! :D
     
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    Subtle ploy on our behalf to gain traction?
     
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    I hope so.

    It's been disturbing watching you guys throw your ideals under the bus because of a joke directed at a politician you like :/
     
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    If you believe that then we've failed to explain the difference between free speech and harassment and between using the State to force your morals onto others and the function of the State to protect individuals.
     
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    Using the coercive power of the state as a threat:

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    No, you've got it wrong. Again...... :rolleyes:

    That is using the State to protect your rights. Is it really that difficult to distinguish between the two?

    So if we are back to playing games, then I'm outta here until you guys come up with something new or intelligent.
     

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