Labor have killed the economy.

Discussion in 'Markets & Economies' started by TheEnd, Aug 22, 2013.

  1. Court Jester

    Court Jester Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    You prefer bligh over newman cause he cut hard to fix the problems left by a gov who spends like drunken sailors?
     
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    So far the 2 so called leaders have given tax $ away left right and center,, Their style is to do one or two give aways each day.

    EG. $5 million to the broncos for a training ground
    $9 million for brookvale oval upgrade
    $3 billion highway 1 Mackay to Townsville
    $10 million new hospital NT
    $50 million stroke victims

    We all have our noses in the trough. If you can see through their BS it's time to call ENOUGH.

    Regards Errol 43
     
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    Large infrastructure projects like the NBN are exactly what the government is for. Do you even have the slightest clue how nbnco works and how the NBN is being funded or are you just parroting what News Ltd and ACA says? Infrastructure like Google fibre and telstra cable etc are economical for private enterprise to roll out only in densely populated areas (google fibre is only being trialled in two cities at the moment and it hasn't even been proven profitable yet). Australia has a fairly small population spread out over a huge amount of land and obviously because of that there is no reason for private companies to put in the infrastructure for high speed internet. Liberals are screwing with the NBN just because they are too gutless to admit labors FTTH NBN is a good policy.

    Yes selling off our internet infrastructure worked out so well for everyone last time didn't it /s. It must be nice living in a large city and actually getting affordable fast internet with large download caps and being able to choose your provider. A lot of people in Australia can't because they are stuck in telstras bullshit monopoly. I pay $89 a month for 15GB at around 2-3Mb/s download and .2-.5M/b upload. It works for now but will it still be enough in 2 years time? 5 years? Don't think so. There is A LOT of australians in a similar position to me. Even if i want to pay heaps (heaps more) than I already am to get faster internet where I live do you think telstra will provide it? Hell f*cking no. The labor NBN will provide almost EVERY premises in australia with high speed broadband be it fibre, wireless or satellite and it is there if you want to use it without you having to pay thousands to get your house connected. If you don't want to pay a little extra for extremely fast internet and live in the past then you can do that too. How on earth people like yourself can possibly think this is a bad thing is way beyond me. Although from what I have seen in this thread and similar threads and IRL you liberals will believe any of the mindless drivel that comes out of lord abbots mouth.

    Paid maternity leave and all other middle class welfare needs to go. full stop. It is there purely to buy votes. Employers should be made to allow new parents to take a reasonable amount of time off without losing their jobs. However the amount of time new parents can take off without losing their jobs (say 4 months) needs to be the same for both men and women. If women are allowed more time off it will make them less attractive to employers. Same with if employers have to pay maternity leave, women of certain ages would have a harder time finding employment. People need to live within their means, save and pay for their own crotchfruit.

    I have a leak in my roof I guess its easier and cheaper just to leave it be and learn to live in a mouldy rotting house than climb up there and seal the hole. Besides why worry about the little leak in my living room roof when there is larger sources of moisture coming from other places like the bathroom and garage. /s

    Its not that simple.

    Hardcore liberal supporters, climate change deniers... just wow, the retardation in this thread is almost overwhelming.

    OMG guise Tony Abbot, our hero has an economics degree! He's literally the smartest person in australia! Our hero! Such smart!
     
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    This is how stupid you look

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E87gciwebw[/youtube]

    Cannot for the life of me figure out how to embed a youtube video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E87gciwebw
     
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    Link not working.
     
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    Large infrastructure projects are definitely NOT what you want Government for. The FTTN is just as bullcrap as FTTH and neither should go ahead.

    Wholesale destruction of pre-existing capital stock, compulsory acquisition of private property and market distorting pricing to create a new bloated monopoly funded by stealing other people resources at gunpoint is never acceptable nor is it "sensible". It is a socialists wet dream that'll enable them to download porn and pirated TV faster. Stay the turtle out of my wallet so that I can help the people who really need my money in the way that I see fit.
     
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    Yes it did actually. It was brilliant and only got undone because fascist f**kwit Conroy had a hissy fit.
     
  9. Court Jester

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    nope I got another reminder why I hate Newman in the mail when I got home today.

    An insurance renewal notice with a letter from the RACQ included advising us of the increase to stamp duty(2.5%) that was introduced by Newman government
     
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    The "working class" can't work without jobs. Better paying jobs are crowded out by the Government not created by it. The "working class" did massively better in the Howard/Costello era than at nearly any time in history.

    "Better" health care will not eventuate from Government funded models as by it's very nature it is rationed. You can ration based on equality of access but lower quality of service and spread of services if you are lucky enough to get in. You can ration based on ability to pay, which means there's a hurdle to access but a much higher quality and range of services at a more affordable price. You can have a mixture of the two (like we currently have) but inevitably non-price rationing (as pushed by Greens/ALP) provides lower quality service where you're more likely to die in hospital from preventable causes or have massive waiting lists for anything deemed "elective". This is the same with any market (except perhaps the chance of death :p ).

    As shite and socialist as the Liberals are, they are much more in tune with what creates prosperity than the ALP. If you want to vote at all, vote LDP.
     
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    Yeah. He should have put the bill on the credit card for Gino's kids to pay.
     
  12. Court Jester

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    BULLSHIT

    Work choices was the WORST piece of legislation ever introduced into this country EVER for your average working class person. The simple fact that you believe that howards and the libs were a workers friend and were better off under workchoices makes me question your sanity.

    I wouldnt doubt Abbot who was mentored by Howard trying to introduce something very much like work choices in the near future with a different name maybe something like " Choices for work" -- yep that will fool the sheeple
     
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    Court Jester Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Stamp duty of all kinds is a joke and Newman increasng it after promising to "reduce the cost of living in QLD" is an even bigger joke
     
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    :lol: The simple fact that you believe flexible labour relations is not in the interests of the worker makes me know that you're a socialist who is scared of the market and thinks people who risk their savings and lives on innovating and building capital are evil.

    OR, you could simply be misguided because you haven't had the opportunity of learning what markets are really about and how everyone benefits from the capitalists taking risks and sharing the rewards. Legislating wages creates unemployment and reduces future growth. Legislating jobs (or trying to) does the same.
     
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    Yeah, cost of living should be hidden on the foreigner's credit card as well because that's worked out really well for the Greeks.
     
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    Gees guys yous are making it hard for me to make my decision.....I have an email friend in Sydney whos saying Howard and Costello pissed way to much against the wall when they were in and now Labor are basically picking up the pieces.....I don't know its all very confusing and frustrating at the same time.

    If you go watch Steven Molyneux's 'The Fall of Australia' he really explains whats going on with all the spending and way too many gov jobs being created and all the carbon taxes and electricity price rises by Labor.... He calls it 'Statism'.
     
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    Court Jester- would it not be better too not to be taxed in the first place?
    I remember getting the GFC stimulus around $1000 back in 09 at the time I thought it was ridiculousness.
    I don't want handouts! Just stop taxing the shit out of me.
     
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    Ye even the rich got $900 dollars each to go and spend ....What a bloody joke that was!
     
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    Do you understand the polls? As of this week "team Rudd" has 46% of the TWO PARTY PREFERRED vote (with preferences), Labor's actual PRIMARY vote ie: the number who say they intent to vote Labor at the election currently stands at just 34% so you are well and truly in the minority of Australians who want Labor back.
     
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    You Can't Tax Your Way into Prosperity
     

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