Is this the end of the "Age of Entitlement"?

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  1. JohnnyBravo300

    JohnnyBravo300 Well-Known Member

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    Hard times make people stronger and that's a good thing.
    The average american could stand to feel some pain and it would be a good thing.
    Changes wont be demanded until the average people fell a little pain and suffering, they get some skin in the game.
     
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    That’s a very old world Christian view.

    I prefer the view of the ancient Stoics, which has a striking resemblence to modern cognitive behaviour therapy:

    The upside of that is that it's not adversity that teaches us resilience, but our way of thinking. There is nothing positive to be gained by inflicting misery on another, nor wishing misery to be inflicted on another. Strength learned in good times is preferable to strength learned in bad times.
     
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    JohnnyBravo300 Well-Known Member

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    That's an interesting view and I agree somewhat.
    Although throughout history mankind has adapted and overcome the most at periods of great suffering, and its never been a choice like that.
    I can understand if a choice, to make it less painful as possible.
    I consider it a part of evolution and it's usually a forced thing.
     
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    If you’re looking for someone to tell you not to be a pussy during lockdown look no further than Wes Watson .. :D

     
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    Although I totally agree with you about man's greatest inventions, the wheel, art and language, farming, family and community, music. These were all at times of ease and not under stress.
    When they were relaxed and had plenty, there was more time for enjoyment and the imagination.
     
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    Highly complex societies that have finely detailed separation of duties are very productive but only under ideal conditions.

    If you study complexity theory you will see that the more complex a system the high amount of energy input required to get more productivity.

    But more importantly their become very fragile and collapse. Much like a fantastic sand castle built at the beach. You can make it low and stable or you can use more water and build something much higher. What you find over time is that the sand starts to dry. You cannot maintain the sand castle as you cannot reinject more water into the whole castle to maintain its strength.

    When society is under stress saving someone with a very expensive brain surgeon becomes irrelevant when the rest of your family is starving or under threat.

    Complexity collapse may well become a very hot topic in the coming months.
     
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    I disagree.

    Highly complex societies evolve as a response to and in order to maximise conditions, as such if conditions are less than ideal these complex societies with their clear and unambiguous separation of duties are able to respond more effectively than a community with a lower level of specialisation as say a tribe or secluded community like North Korea. Yes, they operate at peak performance under optimal conditions, but are far more productive than more simple societies even when conditions are less than optimal.

    I haven't the faintest idea what complexity theory is but I do know economic theory which states that gains in productivity don't come about by increasing complexity or energy demands but from efficiency gains. As an example, the microchip is a highly complex piece of technology that is able to process information quickly, modern LED globes are another example. Both have very little energy requirements. Increasing energy usage is linked to greater access to markets meeting increasing demand from rising affluence as opposed to productivity gains.

    Furthermore, societies are not like Lamborghinis which require top quality fuel in order to function properly, societies are dynamic, they respond to stimuli, and the greater the specialisation the more responsive a complex social group can be and the less prone to collapse they'll be as a result. 30% to 60% of Europe's population died from the Black Plague during a time when humans were living in less complex societies. If your assertion is correct, then modern pandemics should be wiping out an even greater proportion of that.

    Where complex systems do fall apart is where they are created artificially ie not as a result of individuals engaging in economic activity in the market in order to meet their needs and desires. I think your sand castle analogy applies nicely to the artificial constructs we see, especially those built by the State.
     
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    I lasted 40 seconds or so. What an arsehole.

    He has a lot of problems.
     
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    He’s right about “no blame game”. He has a personal trauma story and decided to push himself out of that. He’s off his chops, but what really sucks about a man like this is the fact that if he was given a good opportunity when he was a kid we would not be watching this.
     
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    Yeah, instead we would be watching this:

     
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    That link doesn’t seem to work, though the half of a second available looks great
     
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    fixed
     
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    Great video. It is shutdownsville soon enough for most of us.

    Arnie is an all time legend.
     
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