Is This Holey Dollar Real?

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  1. ozcopper

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    Is This Holey Dollar Real? And if it is, what is it's estimated value?

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    I was offered to buy the coin from a private seller.
     
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    The outer denticles look quite effaced compared to the inner ones. You would think that high points on an old coin would be more or less equally worn.
     
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    Toning is not even either
     
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    Not necessarily, the coins used to produce the holey dollar were mostly circulated. So it’s likely there would be different wear patterns between the original strike and for want of a better term the ‘counterstamp’ NSW 5 Shilling
     
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    I tell you what oz if this is a fake it's a bloody good one. I've held a lot of 8 R's in my hand and I can't fault this one. Do you know if the coin is concaved or flat?
     
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    No I don't sorry. I was offered this coin in the 50k to 75k range.
     
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    Silver Soul Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Ah ha I thought so. It ain't fake lol
     
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    Well I think a real one would be 200k +
     
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    Fresh off the mint uncirculated for sure. But not that one. :)
     
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    Comparing the above to a known Holey Dollar based on an 1809 8 Reales, https://coinworks.com.au/Copy-of-New-South-Wales-Holey-Dollar~14837, the above 'coin' looks very odd.

    This may be a fake given what I think are issues with:
    • the font on the coin being 'too flat'
    • the design seems very dull and blunt
    • the pearls in the crown seem worn inconsistent with other areas of the coin
    • the dots in the legend being too big
    • the dots being too close to the legend
    • the legend being too close to the denticles
    • the denticles being conjoined saw tooth in shape rather than separate with clear lines between them
    • the 'anchor' at the base of the shield has a round loop, but should be more teardrop
    Also, check out some specifications from https://www.sterlingcurrency.com.au...ay-henshall-cut-struck-the-1813-dump-fifteen/

    Until provenance can be proven or the coin can be independently verified by a well known dealer, I'd reconsider the offer.
     
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