Immunity

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  1. Eureka Moments

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    Some have strong Immune Systems and others not so due to other pre-existing health or medical issues. That's about it for my knowledge.

    Leaving aside the taking of handfuls of vitamins and supplements and unproven pharma drugs, how exactly do we develop a strong Immune System? If it is by exposure to small amounts of a virus or source of infection are our collective defenses all being weakened by the lockdown and distancing strategies, not only to Covid-19, but influenza, herpes and even Parrots disease?
     
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    There is no immunity. Limiting exposure helps, but like all wars everyone gets affected by it. Pray it doesn't go Satan bug viral. Because if it does lots of animals on this earth are farked
     
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    Constant exercise, good lifestyle, rigid training and previous life exposures can improve the immune system.
     
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    What has me thinking about this is the very low numbers of flu cases we are experiencing. If a new type emerges won't our weakened immune systems accelerate the spread and health effects it has on us?
     
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    ^^^ likely only a problem if this whole covid thing creates a habit where after its done with, people continue to slather them selves or their kids with hand san and wear masks every flu season, and live in complete sterile conditions for a long extended period.
    Its well documented that those germophobes who live in complete sterile conditions for long periods of time tend to have lower immune systems and when they get sick they tend to get very sick.
    Good example is kids who have Pets particularly dogs in their homes tend to have better immune systems as adults than kids who didnt. Simply because dogs are dirty bastards and carry lots of germs and the exposure to those germs helps build immune systems in kids that help in adult life. So Building up a good immune system takes many years, its not something you lose over night or gain over night.
    why I dont get upset when my toddler daughter picks up some food off the floor she dropped and eats it, or when the dog licks her, or when she is outside eating dirt, all that crap is actually better for immune systems than if i ran around bathing her in disinfectant every time she got something dirty on her hands.
     
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    Most important is diet and lifestyle
    Processed foods reduce your immunity
    Obesity a big influence
    Stay active and eat what grows naturally and you'll be right
     
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    If our immune systems are compromised say due to infection and the body goes into overdrive and its immune system is overstimulated then even active, healthy individuals are at risk of not being "right". Our own immune systems can attack perfectly healthy tissue. Our bodies are not perfect, they fuck up occasionally, for some it's just the card they're dealt. I'm not at all sure how valid this line of thought is but some consider cancer to be an auto-immune disease.
     
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    It is an autoimmune disease to a large extent. Agree with the above. But in general my points stand. Autoimmunity is also related to obesity (diabetes is an autoimmune condition)
     
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    Auto-immune diseases are not related to obesity. Skinny bastards can get it too. :)

    And in general, your point does stand.
     
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    I think that gut microbiome is the new frontier in autoimmune and inflammation research.
     
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    I would like to assert (haven't looked into it) that flouride in our drinking water directly affects our gut microbiome and thus our overall health.
     
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    Obesity is certainly a big factor but i would have to question so of your other topics.
    How long have we had processed food exactly?
    For most of human evolution we have been very active and ONLY eaten natural yet our life expectancy even 100 years ago was less than 50.
    SO it may sound good and even logical that eating natural and being active will help you live longer it is not actually born out in reality.

    Food and exercise are just a small part of longevity and many other factors have greater impact.
    If a long life was as simple as eating healthy NATURAL food and getting lots of exercise was key to a long life then in THE REAL WORLD our life expectancy would be going DOWN instead of going up like it has been for some decades now.
     
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    What is hygiene?
     
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    let your kids eat dirt. it's good for them
     
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    imo, the ticket is not to isolate immunity or, to take immunity as an isolated subject.
    The human body is very complex, it makes, converts, destroys, builds, weakens, replicates, searches and perform millions of functions very quickly and not so quickly our whole life.
    The body is like a mechanics workshop. Parts coming in, parts going out, parts being fixed, parts being destroyed, parts being checked for minute imperfections.

    For the body to be able to work well, it needs a good blood supply and, at the correct pressure for your age.
    Why blood?
    Blood absorbs nutrient rich food from the food we eat via the mass of vessels connected to the digestive system (guts), if the blood supply is poor, you body has difficulty taking up nutrients and delivering them to the Liver.
    If your Liver is in bad condition, it has to spend time fixing itself or concentrating on eliminating the toxins like sugar, fructose, High fructose corn syrup, booze and over the counter medications, many of which are toxic to the liver especially some of the pain killers. (So, you know how to fix that)
    Some folk, don't realise that your blood has a lifespan of about 120 days, so that, if you started eating better now and avoided the ^Above^ in no time at all you'd be producing healthier blood cells. Healthier blood cells will bring more oxygen and nutrients to the rest of the body; now that's a good thing.
    The Stomach?
    The stomach produces hydrochloric acid, the stomach needs to be acidic to kill bacteria, viruses and all those nasties contained in what we ingest and also to break down our food, in-particularly protein. But, the stomach also needs to be acidic because in doing so, it activates the valve where the food comes into the stomach.
    When the food passes from the stomach into the Duodenum, Bile Duct will release bile to break down fatty food and the Pancreas will release Insulin to deal with sugar (Simplified, there's more to it than that but....). and a large amount of sodium bicarbonate to bring the pH from acidic to alkaline.

    So, as you can see, just in a few phrases, the body has done an amazing amount of work but how does that influence immunity?

    The correct food and healthy organs will allow a complex web of critters to make enzymes in your gut that will give your body the mechanisms to recognize friends and baddies in the body. Your healthy blood supply will then take what your gut has made, through to the liver and to the rest of the body.

    Now, that's pretty simplified but, if you want to keep your immunity high, you'll need to consider keeping your gut, organs and blood in good order because your body will fix itself and give you the best chance of a healthy life if you treat it well.

    Some of the things that will destroy the gut (lining of the intestines) or give you a leaky gut are Lectins; try to avoid them if you can and try to avoid sugar.
     
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    Never eat a Pie or Sausage Roll that's been in the heater more than 6 hours. And don't feed Cornish Pasties to goats cos they can die.
     
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    This is correct,but the most important in this case is STRESS- don't be fearfull-be optimistic...
     
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    Well that buggers ever conceivable Australian sporting venue's main source of food revenue (and petrol stations).:eek:
     
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    I heard an interesting description of the story behind the Cornish Pastie. They were a complete meal for the Cornish miners. The crinkled edge was meant as a disposable hand hold, so that whilst underground, and without access to water for hand cleaning, the miners could eat without consuming the arsenic off their hands. One end would contain a main meal and one end a desert.
     
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    Ways to defend/mitigate Corona, pneumonia, bronchitis or any respiratory ailment, in relative order:
    -NOT BEING OVERWEIGHT (studies are beginning to show Corona hits fatties at least 7x harder than normal BMI)
    -Being a non-smoker (includes cigs, vape, weed, or anything else).
    -Getting enough sleep.
    -Eating enough protein/vit/etc and learn about balanced low saturated fat low simple carb and high prot diet. There is no magic pill... sorry.
    -Hygiene... wash your hands, distance, touch doors with elbows, etc... and don't wear a nasty cloth or moist paper mask, etc (worse than nothing).
    -Get outside and quit breathing recycled dirty particulate air and being around other ppl (aka main reason why flu season is winter).
    -Being young, having good genetics (yea yea, can't control).
    -Having good cardio... bike/swim/run/etc. This helps, but it also fades quick unless you keep it up (just like muscle men strength).
    -Good posture (lets you take a full breath, hunch back stand/sit that most people use does not).
    GL all

    <-doctor
     
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