Discussion in 'Current Affairs' started by willrocks, Oct 8, 2019.
Tiananmen 2.0 when?
Very interesting to read all the Chinese propaganda comments for that youtube channel. Once again the Chinese government struggling with the art of subtlety.
Its a sad day when you find yourself agreeing with propaganda bots on youtube though
peace fool demonstrator caught in the act
Most of the commenters are Singaporean or Malaysian chinese, not PRC. Singlish and chinglish is different.
Give it week before PRC military intervention.
Imagine if Aboriginal separatist were demonstrating and catapulting rocks at police in Sydney CBD and burning down shops to break away and form their own country how fast would there be massive intervention.
Given the PRC are good at ignoring rules, regulations, court rulings and agreements etc and don't give a rats what the rest of the world thinks of their actions (ie South China Sea, imprisoning Uighurs an other minorities), why haven't the PRC already torn up the 1984 Sino–British Joint Declaration and repealed HK's SAR status, sent in the PRC police / troops and clamped down on dissent in this part of China????????
Yes, all their Asian neighbours and the Western Govt's will jump up and down, HK will lose it's US trade status and so on, but HK is part of China and as Beijing said..."It's an internal matter"....so butt out (to paraphrase). If this does come to pass, six months later regional and global financial and trade flows would have re-aligned / moved to other markets (SP, Shanghai, Tokyo, other etc) and the world would have move on.
HK is a nasty sore on China right now and HK's SAR status is a legal (and political) band-aid on that sore. So if the PRC don't rip it off hard and fast and soon and disinfect, will HK fester further and infect the wider China???
However, as we know the Chinese think a tad longer and wider than the western election cycle and strategically plan accordingly over the foreseeable decades.
So does China need Hong Kong "as is" until 2047 or a Hong Kong under Beijing's iron fist now???
HK is not a manufacturing country, 90% of their GDP comes from the service industries (ie banking and finance etc), thus most of their GDP is clip the ticket revenue and they run net trade deficit with the world so the West stand to lose if HK goes the way of the PRC. Granted they are a financial front door for the PRC into global financial markets, but with China slowing winding back reliance on the USD and building new trade and financial networks, will HK still be relevant financially for China?? HK only represents 3% of PRC GDP now.
Now here's the BUT......with the PRC sponsoring / building / funding the One Belt, One Road plus investing in other countries, all of which will generate huge revenue flows for and global political & economic clout for China, is China seeing the long term value of the One Belt, One Road project far exceeding the financial and trade contribution of a semi-free Hong Kong??? China needs (democratically elected) foreign governments to sign up to both One Belt, One Road and other PRC investment's in their country....if China comes down hard in Hong Kong now, does that action create some doubt / raise questions in the minds of the politicians in those countries China is courting to invest in, fund and for One Belt, One Road inclusion?
If One Belt, One Road wasn't being proposed by China, I think Beijing would have crushed the HK protests by now and fully absorbed HK in the PRC in all ways....but I think Beijing is going to contain HK (with their right hand controlling same), let the protests go on and media make headlines....all the time with their left hand keep long term global domination plans moving via One Belt, One Road Initiative through the "softly, softly approach" with foreign governments "See, Beijing isn't stopping the protests in Hong Kong etc....we're good guys, please sign up...it'll be wonderful"
I highly doubt it, for some reasons oddjob covered in his post. America would love it if they did though, then they can say to the world "better the devil you know". This would be China's worst case scenario.
Fountain of Peace
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same for HK, there is not a need for PLA to get involved, the local police have unlimited automatic to fire
Logically speaking China should not kill the golden goose, but China has made a lot of illogical decisions in recent years. The ban on soya bean doesn’t make sense at all. Hence, it’s not possible to discount a wrong move.
What will America do lol
This is not my observation but it was made by another - have you heard of the story of Brer Rabbit and the briar patch @sgbuyer ? If not google it, then imagine applying a similar strategy when it comes to sitting down in trade talks with the US.
They don't have to do anything. I guess you didn't understand what i was saying.
But on a slightly different note, what will Winnie the Pooh do
Winnie has a tough job. He has to handle violent unrest of "western barbarians" in xinjiang. This is a 2000 year old problem. He can't make them disappear so the plan now is to civilise them. HK is different. HK is Han people, not barbarians. If China sends in troops into HK, it will be civil war. This is shameful to the Han and will not be taken lightly.
like they usually do, back off
back to the sanctions table
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