Hong Kong and Hong Kongs Future

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  1. bubblebobble2

    bubblebobble2 Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    I want HK to be as it was before, this demonstration is no longer about freedom of speech... that burnt guy was exercising his freedom of speech, ie. pro-Beijing... yes, we all hv our opinions on PRC, Commi, hitler, etc etc... but there is no excuse to douse someone and light him off just because of his belief...full stop.... as to UBER, well I don't use them... they're just a pest... stopping wherever they want, no consumer protection for passengers (apart from private insurance obtained by driver/owner of the car)... and lots of rapists and opportunists cases that you can google on, and on.
    Back to this so called 'freedom of speech'.... in HKG.... what freedom does HKG residents have with this riots.. errr, sorry... I meant 'freedom of speech' demonstrators? They can't go out anywhere to do their own business cause of these tugs... sorry again...should call them 'freedom of speech' believers...where they can douse and light up HKG citizens.

    No, I'm not a commi, or fascist. Just a person who believes in human rights to freedom of speech
     
  2. bubblebobble2

    bubblebobble2 Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    as to the original cause of these riots, 5-7mths ago, it was because China wanted extradite HKG criminal who killed his girlfriend in Taiwan...thus, to get this person in justice in Taiwan... and now he has admitted that we wanted to face his fate in Taiwan, and will be extradited to Taiwan to face his killing charges.
     
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    They're supposed to uphold the agreed contract ie 1 country 2 systems. That means HK is to have its own legal system, not the mainland's. The Chinese government is morally corrupt, it has no place in Hong Kong.

    Agree, there's not. But it's the job of police to uphold the law, not the military. Fascists demand military intervention and extradition to overseas courts, freedom advocates demand that the law is upheld by police and that any cases are heard in the local courts in the district in which the transgressions are argued to have occurred.

    Edit to add: re: Taiwan, that's not the original cause. Taiwan is not mainland China. Carrie Lam introduced a bill to extradite Hong Kong residents to China for alleged crimes committed in HK.
     
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    There's a bit more to it than that. Like the Hong Kong bookstore owner and workers that sold books that didn't go with the PRC narrative who have disappeared off the face of the earth.

    It was becoming a bit like East Germany. Communism gonna communism.
     
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    The PRC soldiers are already in HK wearing police uniform and wearing masks. This is why is there so much beating.
     
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    ‘LOL
     
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    The PRC still beat their kids, this is what I’ve observed in some of the new migrants although Taiwanese mothers are by far the fiercest that I’ve seen. The local Singaporeans now rarely beat their kids prescribing to the modern belief that the more you beat them, the more rebellious they will become. Strict reasoning is a better approach.

    In a way it’s true if you look at the behaviour of PRC spoilt brats overseas, the past beatings hasn’t worked for them apparently.

    A lot of the HK rioters that set fire to properties are youths and they need to be arrested and put in a boy’s home, beating them won’t help.
     
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    like in Ukraine, they just call them terrorist, not sure when they will get their proper name
     
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    I've never understood the issue between Russians Ukrainians and "Ukraine" Ukrainians.

    Ukrainian vs Russian language



    Mandarin vs Cantonese

     
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    ‘what’s that got to do with your made up assertion PRC soldiers are dressed up as HK police?
     
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    If communism could work in the long run, we’d all be speaking and writing German and Russian by now. It can’t work because full control will stifle creativity and the society will slowly decline even if there is an initial advantage because of the full control, not to mention people in power can go crazy or get dementia after sometime. This is the limitation of humans unless god or immortals run the system.
     
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    Communism will and has failed for the same reason democracy will and has failed - self interest.

    Smaller communities can sustain a system of rule for extended periods while there is enough common self interest. But usually if they are successful they grow and as they grow they lose the binding common self interest due to differing self interest.

    Human history is littered with every variety of failed system. Today’s society is certainly no more mature in its individual relationship to self interest.
     
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    Guys, we're off-track now...time to buy more GOLD!!!!
     
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    Recent developments are bad. If China sends in the PLA, not just the US, but the entire West will be sanctioning China and this will be bad for the entire region. It will be a SHTF situation. I can't understand what the CPC is thinking.
     
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    China won't go in HKG.. China wanted the whole world to see what 'democracy' is and what it can do... besides HKG ppl (well in this case, tugs and local terrorists) wanted UK to step in for this mess, but UK wouldn't (and couldn't) becuase they have their own sh!t to sort out and they're coming in to recession....

    so. who's going to help HKG?
     
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    We should scrap the sister-city agreement between Canberra and Beijing.
     
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    I think you are overestimating the outrage from other countries if China cracks down on the "protestors" who are rioting and setting folks on fire. I would bet that you would just see some "lip service" and that's it.

    The problem is that the world has seen the masked "protestors" doing all the damage there. In my opinion, the "police" or whatever they are, have been quite reserved considering they are sometimes battling multiple masked attackers with sticks, batons, and who knows what else at the same time. Some of our police in the US shoot folks simply for not complying with their commands, so I don't think the US is going to feel too sorry for the "protestors", even if still wishing freedom for them.

    What country can defend having folks rioting in the streets and not putting a stop to it? Far different days than the guy standing in front of the tank peaceably.
     
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    Yes, shooting and killing civilians and dumping their bodies in the harbour is quite “reserved”.

    By communist standards. o_O
     
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    wow didn’t know that, when did it happen?
    ‘Drowning civilians sounds more like South Korean government.
     

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