Hong Kong and Hong Kongs Future

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  1. alor

    alor Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    If Xi can’t control the elites in small HK, forget about being even a regional power.
     
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    How long will China tolerate "protests"?

    This puts China in a spot, because they want to appear to the world like a "civilized" nation, so they don't want to crush the demonstrators where the world can see it all live and in color (unlike if it was going on somewhere hidden in China proper).

    If these protests continue and if property gets destroyed, airports blocked further, etc, I think China will eventually get tough and bring about order.

    If everything gets too bad say with lots of property damage and ongoing for too long, it will eventually cause a worse condition for those in HK, because if it comes to Chinese military and such kicking a$$ there, it will end up with China being more present and in control in the future, unlike it has been up till the present time. So at the end of the day, I believe these protestors will cause China to gain power in HK versus the opposite.

    China could of course change its mind on the extradition laws and such, but that would make them look weak, and Chinese leaders believe that saving face is most important. I don't see them budging. They now own HK, so they feel they should get to run it as they wish, but will try to maintain a good image in the world as a growing superpower, etc. If the protestors do too much damage and such, China will appear justified in kicking some a$$ to bring about order.

    This could get interesting.

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/video-shows-how-china-would-invade-and-crush-hong-kong-72431

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...police-truck-convoy-rolls-city-near-hong-kong
     
  4. mrsilverservice

    mrsilverservice Well-Known Member

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    Things are getting hotter than Hell in Hong Kong with China now mentioning Taiwan in the same sentence :confused:

    What will they do and when will they do it,soon or not at all I reckon o_O

    What affect on the gold price :eek:

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    The Book of Matthew Chapter 10 verse 28

    And do not worry about those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both body and soul in hell :)
     
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    If China goes in hard on Hong Kong it will make them an international pariah and cause them deep problems. If they invade and suppress Hong Kong they will basically be painting a picture for the future of Taiwan, the Philippines, Australia, New Zealand and all of the smaller Asian countries - They might as well be saying "Your next, Sunshine" as China increases it's military reach, particularly it's Navy.
     
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    All those countries you mention are US allies. You don't think the US would intervene militarily if China tried to move on them?

    Hong Kong belongs to China now because Britain relinquished. They didn't have to take anything. It is theirs like a gift.

    Taiwan, et al, would come only with a fight.
     
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    Xi is between a rock and hard place.

    1) Xi cracks down on HK (and send in PRC mainland forces to maintain / restore order PRC style and be condemned by the western world and risk having HK lose it's special trading privileges (wihch define it from the PRC) which are renewed each year.

    2) Xi lets HK go untamed and the hard liners in Beijing will see Xi as weak thus his position becomes questionable.

    BTW: HK protesters waving the US flag and singing "The Star Spangled Banner" ain't going to help their cause. That will be the footage Beijing show the rest of the PRC populous.
     
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    The solution is actually very simple. Carrie Lam just has to resign.
     
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    The US is capable of winning an air/sea war with China now. It won't necessarily be able to in the future, particularly if President Trump is replaced by a Democrat. The day that China's military is stronger than that of the US it's all over down here.

    I take your point though, America won't let strategically valuable land masses like Australia, NZ, Antarctica and some SEA countries fall into Chinese hands without a fight.
     
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    I think Carrie Lam answered the question very clear, China has her hands tied.



     
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    No empire likes to lose compliant colonies like Australia.
     
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    But won't she just be replaced with a PRC appointee who carries out the wishes of Beijing?

    Unless HK get to elect their own reps and leader without Beijing influence and approval (can't see that happening), I don't see the protests stopping as it's gone to far to turn back now...and a new pro PRC CEO won't change the mood in HK I feel, so it's probably going to end in tears for the good people of HK.
     
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    Hong Kong will lose it’s special status sooner because of this.
    Mainland Chinese will demand the same rule, because if I was a mainland Chinese I’d look at Chinese in Hong Kong and think what’s so special about them!
     
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    Yep, and Beijing will not let HK containment the PRC mainland with such notions as democracy. PRC roll in sooner than later, ignore the cry's of the west and six months later, it'll be "what was that about HK again?"
     
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    I thought Chinese people are not allowed to think.
     
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    and BTW, all the time this is going on, the PRC continue with their South China sea expansion whilst the world watches HK....Not a bad play by Beijing when I think about it.
     
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    The key to America's interest in the region is in the balance of power. This is why what Trump is doing is important to regional peace (in fact world peace). You would want to develop countries such as Vietnam so that they can have prosper economically and have their own modern armies and navy. By that I mean developing the manufacturing and export industry in these countries. Vietnam is especially important since their culture is very similar to Chinese but much fiercer, and thus explains their independence from the Han empire after 2000 years.
     
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    And while China has been spending all it's time trying to control the South China sea, its people and Africa, America has been developing weapons that can disable China in a second. Not a bad play by America (once again).
     
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    They think a lot and the government like what they are thinking
     
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