Hong Kong and Hong Kongs Future

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  1. JohnnyBravo300

    JohnnyBravo300 Well-Known Member

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    Well the left isnt all to blame these days. The right is the same but maybe a little sneakier.
    Let's not forget who ended the gold standard, introduced the patriot act, supports most gun control and stripping of individual rights and is currently spending more than the left ever could while destroying our currency.
    Not to forget the repubs that were in office during 9/11 and such things as the epstien suicide and other false narratives that they like to sweep under the rug.
    The right really isnt any better at protecting our freedoms. It's just another tentacle of socialism and the nwo.
    Everything theyve talked down on my entire life they now embrace same as the left.
     
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  2. mmm....shiney!

    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Of course, the people of Hong Kong should be happy that instead of sending in the tanks, Xi is on the public record as wanting to exterminate all opposition. That's so much nicer of him.

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  3. sgbuyer

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    Unrest dying down, but the real estate bubble implosion might already be underway. Can bet that there's a lot of Chinese money, hundreds of billions invested in HK properties and mortgaged to banks as collateral. Major banks will be affected.
     
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  4. Ipv6Ready

    Ipv6Ready Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Doubt there was much hot Chinese money in HK residential realestate. People with money are not stupid,

    HK was never seen as safe destination for hot mainland money because of 2047.

    Had UK kept Hong Kong island, it,would have been different story. But UK didn’t like the idea of giving 2 million Asians citizenship ie Chinese people.

    Note: Hong Kong island was UK territory until China invaded or UK abandoned it, Hong King island didn’t have to be handed back, and China never even asked for it, UK unilaterally decided to give back and wash their hands of Hong Kong Asians.
     
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  5. Court Jester

    Court Jester Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Wasn't it a 99year lease that expired so they were forced to hand it over 30 s of googling show you how wrong you are
     
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    sgbuyer Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    I think ip6 is correct, HK island was ceded to the UK, not leased, same case as the Sultanate of Johor sold Singapore to the British earlier in 1819.

    Looking back, HK remains a colony till today which is ironical.
     
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    Ipv6Ready Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    99 year lease is for leased mainland territories. Hong Kong Island was won in war and it was never leased. The mainland territories people call Hong Kong are not really Hong Kong (island) it is just convenient to do so. Like people consider Penrith a part of Sydney when it is not.

    There are many examples of this around the world, where a common name takes over surrounding areas ie Greater LA, Metropolitan Seoul and Greater Tokyo

    Britain occupied the island of Hong Kong on 25 January 1841 during the Opium War, when Britain was peddling drugs. The outcome was Britain defeated China and China was forced to cede Hong Kong to Britain in the Treaty of Nanking signed on 29 August 1842. As of then Hong Kong Island became a part of British Empire in perpetuity or until Britain lose it in war, give it independence or give it back to former rulers.

    China was was very surprised that Hong Kong was part of the deal in the 80s. They never seriously asked because China didn’t think UK would agree and it would be an embarrassing knockback.

    Have to remember China in 1980s wasn’t a power player. And had China annexed Hong Kong island and UK wanted to keep it like Falkland Island, UK could have gone to war with support of allies. But it was just too much trouble for bunch of Asians and didn’t want 2 to 3 million Chinese immigrating to London.
     
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    China also told the UK they were taking back the whole area regsrdless
     
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    I understand that the economics of keeping Hong Kong as part of the UK was a deciding factor for the UK Govt at the time. Most if not all of Hong Kong Island's water and power came from the mainland, thus the UK would have had to plow huge $'s into Hong Kong Island to build the infrastructure to allow Hong Kong just to operate / survive as the UK didn't trust the PRC to keep the water and power flowing across the harbour.
     
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    the PLA was there, there was no way to win the fight again
     
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    ‘If the people of Hong Kong was White, like in Falkland island, it would never have been given back.
     
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    That’s just normal bargaining. Had UK said no what was China going to do in 1980s lol. In 1980s 9 out 10 people in China didn’t have a refrigerator. Unless China launched ICBM and bombed London.

    China GDP 1980 = 190 Billion USD
    China GDP 2019 = 7,000 billion USD

    UK GDP 1980 = 600 Billion USD
    Australia GDP 1980 = 150 Billion USD
     
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    They managed to defeat the USA in Korea and help the vietmanese in Vietnam and if the UK didn't give them back their terriorltry after the lease expired they would have defeated the UK as well Thatcher even said the UK could do nothing if the Chinese took HK
     
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    its all in the past, UK could never risk a military defeat hence the handover with no incident
     
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    HK election results out, pro-Beijing candidates wiped out. If you have followed the MSM, you would have thought that the protesters are violent lot of losers not supported by the majority of Hong Kong people. Reminiscent of Trump win over Clinton?

    https://www.rt.com/news/474191-hong-kong-man-fire-protests/
    https://www.rt.com/news/473683-hong-kong-protesters-ambulance/
    https://www.rt.com/news/473491-hong-kong-weapons-arsenal-catapult/
    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/473445-hong-kong-violence-bolivia/
    https://www.rt.com/news/473323-hong-kong-university-weapons-factory/
     
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    District councils lack any political leverage and deal mostly with communal issues, such as transport, utility services as well as oversee the distribution of funds to be spent on recreational and environment activities.

    The only way the councils might influence politics is through voting for the next Hong Kong chief executive in 2022 as part of the 1,200 – member election committee. However, the councils send a maximum of 117 delegates to the panel, which is hardly enough to sway the vote, even taking into account that opposition already controls some 400 seats. https://www.rt.com/news/474237-hongkong-elections-china-reaction/
     
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    Hong Kong is Chinese property. The Chinese citizens in Hong Kong should ask for asylum in countries like Australia if they need democracy is important to them.
     
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    Nation states are illegitimate strongholds of oppression. The PRC has no moral claim to Hong Kong, they "own" it by force therefore its actions cannot be justified. The citizens of HK have a right to independence and the PRC should step away.

    That line of thought is equally applicable to any other country including Australia ie if there are demands for an independent state on this continent then the Federal government has no moral claim to prevent secession. The State's monopoly on power is built solely on violence.
     
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    HK is NOT a country ( neither is Taiwan for that matter)
     

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