Home Safes - DON'T.

Discussion in 'General Precious Metals Discussion' started by goldpelican, Oct 8, 2013.

  1. scone

    scone Active Member Silver Stacker

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    If someone was to come looking for pm's they should be seriously let down and be able to find nothing.
    Your home is not a bank vault so why try to treat it as 1?

    If you do store items at home you are putting your family at risk for metal, so you must ask yourself if its worth having about.

    A well trained Rottweiler is wonderful for keeping your family safe, and why stop at owning just 1.
     
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    yes and most dogs unless they are trained ( like my 2 x useless mutts ) will most likely just be happy to let the person in after getting a treat or a pat.
     
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    Where did i say anything about banning? I love dogs and own them and, despite my jack's being bred to catch small animals (very handy for snakes next to the house), they happily get along next to free ranging guinea pigs as they have been taught. While i do get the occasional kelpie and blue heeler roaming across my paddock, i doubt i would hesitate to shoot a 'tough' breed dog if i knew that i could get away with it. Yep, i'm a breed-ist :)

    Back on topic, good summary hiho.
     
  4. Naphthalene Man

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    A friend lives next door to housing apartments. One of the drop kicks in the apartments are teasing the dog constantly unseen and we reckon they are getting people used to hearing the dog barking so they can rob the place at a later date. The vast majority of dogs are friendly once you don't have the fence between you. The problem for the thief is getting the guts up to enter and hoping that this one is not in the minority.
     
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    I 100% disagree here, there is no bad dogs just bad owners. My 2 x staffies have been referred to as "pitbulls" when I ahve been out walking them with people intentionally crossing the street to avoid them. It amuses me as they are as far removed from viscous as you can get, the worst they would do to you is lick you and roll over. it just shows most of these nupties ignorance and fear of the unknown and label anything that looks like a staffy as a "pitbull".

    Even True American pitbulls are fine dogs when properly raised and taken care of.

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  6. scone

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    X2 court jester, finally some sence here
     
  7. Byron

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    Say what you will but i am entitled to my view as much as you are to yours. I do appreciate the polite and sensible pro-dog views put forth here but do not agree.

    I'm not blaming responsible owners (which i imagine nearly all members of SS are).

    However there are complete morons out there that are irresponsible and their dogs are ticking time bombs.

    Have a look at the 2 year old that died here recently (as well as other children and adults), mauled by one of these dangerous breeds. I dont really like or agree with the author of this article but in this case i make an exception.

    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailyteleg...estroy_these_deadly_animals_once_and_for_all/
     
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    1 hot dog please, back to safes don't
     
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    There is a large grey area but so you guys know, Libertarianism isn't pro-dangerous dog ownership under any circumstances just like it isn't pro-gun or pro-nuclear weapons ownership under any circumstances. The difference is that it doesn't advocate taking away rights rather than uphold them. The case Byron linked to would be one that would require a jury by peers to see whether the guardians of the child's rights failed in their responsibility of adequately protecting them and then, if deemed guilty, to determine whether further punishment is warranted.
     
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    Think there was a bank safe cracked in Newcastle some time in the early 80s. NAB's safety deposit boxes in their Haymarket branch got cleaned out in 1988, but as far as I know there hasn't been anything noteworthy since the "Great Chinese Takeaway".

    The sheer amount of technology that's available these days to slow down attackers makes the rewards for attempting to rob a decent facility really quite poor.

    Any decent safe is going to cost a minimum of $2,000 brand new and more in the region of $4,000-$7,000 for a decent sized one.

    With a decent sized safety deposit box in a professional private vault costing only $250-$400 per year, you're going to have to wait more than a decade before realizing any "savings" on your own safe. Even then you still have to deal with it being in your property somewhere and the threat of someone in a balaclava jamming a stolen 9mm into your neck in the small hours of the morning.

    Security really depends on who you are, what you're trying to protect and what you're trying to protect it from.
     
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    Is there a thread for "Safes Do"? Eg, best brands, features to look for (thick walls etc), installation guide (discreet placemnt, camo, use room geometry to force a frontal attack), support (dog, security system, response team etc), and any other methods stackers use to avoid, deter or prolong an attack?
     
  12. Shaddam IV

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    Didn't the safe deposit boxes at Kennards in Melbourne get cleaned out last year?
     
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    Terrible business and I do empathise - get a deposit box at one of those unshakeable, immovable, uncrackable high street banks for a very reasonable annual fee... unless...

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    In another life, I was paid very well to think like a criminal to design, test and breach all manner of security systems.

    I repeat... a safe is a target... targets are meant for hitting... a safe or vault is no security on its own... it is only a delaying mechanism or obstacle for criminals. A safe or vault is only a small part of an overall security plan or system.

    Even as a law abiding citizen, my curiosity is immediately tweaked as soon as I see a safe or vault... I immediately start listing the possibilities of what the owner could be trying to keep hidden or secure and how vulnerable the installation may be or how it could be breached.

    A lone or unattended safe is far worse than no safe at all.

    A home safe... equals insecurity or worse no security at all.

    If you are not able or willing to develop an effect security plan for your valuables, then you should pay a reputable third-party, a large bank or well-established vaulting service, to secure your valuables for you and carry the risk.
     
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    Do you? And I had you pegged for being the trustworthy type :p
     
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    Hmm, what would I want one of those meathead dogs for? Whilst I think I am reasonably balanced, perhaps you're right, and I am an underachiever. I will let others decide on that topic.

    However, having been a registered breeder of Rhodesian Ridgebacks for some time, I think it sufficient to advise that I just like larger dogs. A well trained dog, whether obedience, tracking or trials is an absolute joy to watch.

    The stories I could tell you of one of our, now deceased dogs, would astound you - like the time she protected our son and his friend from a paedophile. Without barking or growling - her presence was sufficient! Or stopping, shall we say unsavoury people from coming onto our property, once again without barking and just siting in front of them barring their entrance. I doubt that a Jack Russell or Chihuahua would have the same impact.

    Have a look around at what is happening,
    1. Laws are being put in place to stop you from being able to protect yourself and your possessions.
    2. You are liable if you hurt someone who is intent on hurting you or your family.
    3. Guns and, in Victoria knives, have/are being outlawed.
    4. Dangerous dogs are banned - and some should be. Yet the highest number of dog attacks, from memory, are by the much smaller Australian Cattle dog.
    5. Laws have been put in place to stop you from actively protecting your own property. Refer the anti-fortress legislation.
    6. I live on acreage, and barbed wire fencing, believe it or not, is frowned upon.

    So all this aside, how are you going to protect your traditional rights, property or family?

    Whilst a dog may not be the be all and end all of protection, it goes a long way towards it.
     
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    Just because I think like a criminal does not make me a criminal... but is does increase my situational awareness.
     

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