Hockey screws Pensioners

Discussion in 'Current Affairs' started by JulieW, Apr 13, 2014.

  1. JulieW

    JulieW Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    It amazes me constantly that people believe that there is any potential for negotiation with the oligarchs and especially that their 'budget black holes' and 'tax reforms' have any meaning whatsoever.

    People trumpet Howard as 'solving the debt problem' when any politician could solve 'deficits' instantly if they weren't beholden to the deals they made to enter the power class.

    We have had a brief flurry of relative freedom and prosperity in the 20th century nd it is ending. The oligarchs are attacking the lower class and pushing them into peasantry and attacking the middle class and pushing them into the lower class.

    Do you think Abbott reintroducing Knights and Ladies was a temporary aberration from an incompetent monarchist. No, the rich believe they need Titles and the peasants bowing their heads as the Sir Stole-a-lot drives by. (just read Carr's book - a shining example of political expediency and born to rule mindset - to see into their actual values).

    They are re-engineering Australia, and it's not to your advantage, and using all the brainwash techniques that have worked so well in the past: Welfare spongers and pull yourself up by the bootstraps, work hard and be rewarded.

    It's absolute crap and every time you take sides in the game they've put up to distract you then they win a little more. None of this is fate or chance or 'inevitable'. It's all planned and your well being is not included.

     
  2. mmm....shiney!

    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Who is they julie?

    It's not an experiment in social engineering, it's just what happens when you manipulate a market. It wouldn't make any difference if Labor was in power, we would still be screwed, it may happen more quickly that's all.

    There are welfare spongers jules, if you work hard you should be rewarded - but democracy has failed, we need to move beyond it.
     
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    willrocks Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    This assumes that many overseas countries maintain their inexpensive cost of living compared to Australia. It's more likely Australia's living standard will fall, while many overseas countries rise.
     
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    Recession is already here they just wont admit it.....Anyone that actually has a job at the moment should do their best to keep it cos its only going to get worse from here on in.
     
  5. BiGs

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    It does seem strange that a country producing record amounts of natural resources per capita cannot even reverse the negative debt trend. But permanent attached debt is a key component on how our economy works. It supposedly gets us all out of bed in the morning. I guess it's working.

    The causative mechanism to all problems noted in this thread is usury. Something politics cannot deliver us from.
     
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    Ronnie 666 Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    This country can produce natural resources but with a real unemployment rate of 20%+ and the dole and disability pension supporting a massive population of bludgers coupled to a massive government bureaucracy, it is only the resource sector that has prevented us becoming Greece. However, that industry is on the wane and with the paper fiat system screwing with all commodities, we are now back on track for the big collapse.
     
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    Yeah sure, I fully agree. Something else usury is to blame for, the need that everyone must be paid via employment wages for the economy to function. Technology, automation and the machine can only improve with progression. I would like to be alive in a time where we look at employment rate as a negative on society and we actively try and increase unemployment rates. We would look back to this time and wonder why on earth did we actively put the population to work for the economy when we had the technology and automation to let the machine do almost all of it for us?

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssDY74nLuLg[/youtube]
     
  8. ShinyStuff

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    I have to agree. Things are on track for tough times. Where I live, the Bogans are out spending up big on their ink, playing the pokies and drowning in grog. They don't plan for next week, let alone thirty years time. My wife and I had to make some financial decisions to get ourselves as ahead as possible. Times are tough for us, but I am thankful to have a SMSF, a reasonable job, and the ability to find more work if needed. Which may be soon! Plus, the added advantage of this forum.

    Never underestimate the power of information here... Plus when things get really really bad, I plan on hooking up with you guys/gals to pool our knowledge and resources to get us all through!!

    Shiny.
     
  9. Holdfast

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    Not all are allowances but...I'm sure government could scrap plenty of the allowances on this list.

    There's folk that take cash in the hand during their business dealings.

    There's folk that don't pay capital gains on their investments.

    Surely folk who have paid their taxes through their working life should be able to have a modest pension, after-all, decent folk who have paid their taxes have done the right thing.

    Sure I agree that everyone should save for their retirement but taxes on savings accounts, taxes on capital gains and tax on super is what prevents all folk making a retirement nest egg.

    And for what it's worth, many of you folk rely on those pensioners that were once young like you.

    What we can do is take a strain off the government purse strings by staying fit; stop eating so much crap, clean your teeth and buy Australian products.

    Don't bash our pensioners, many of who do volunteer work for many Australian charities.

    And I hope none of you are having a go at our retired defence personell because in my book that just bluddy disgraceful.





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  10. Mr Medved

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    Prior to 1946 there was an Aged and Invalid Pension and that was about it! Socialism was introduced just over half a century ago and has mushroomed ever since.
     
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    Old Codger Active Member Silver Stacker

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    I count socialism in OZ from 1972, at my first bout of insanity.

    By 1975, I had recovered my senses.

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  12. mmm....shiney!

    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    What gives that group immunity?
     
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    Its not as bad as some would have you believe claw. Ive lived here for nearly 3 years & had very few problems even with a few building projects ive done here ...petty theft is probably the biggest problem but like anywhere if you leave stuff laying around someone will relieve you of it . Lock it up & its fine .On my building sites i get a guard for $125AUD a month who will turn up with a big smile & an ancient handgun &look after your gear :)
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    SilverPete, the link will only work for paid members. It is some quotes from "Beyond Democracy" by Frank Karsten and Karel Beckman. It is a small book, available in both book and Kindle format and it's dirt cheap.

    I've copied the quotes I posted, clawhammer has also linked to another document in the thread.

    Send The Pelican an ounce and you'll be able to read the member's Only forums. ;)
     
  16. errol43

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    Re list Holdfast. Post 85..

    Add to list Fuel subsidy for the Mining Industry, the Fishing Industry and the farming Industry.

    Also Negative Gearing for the Housing Industry

    Dairy Industry Reconstruction (10cents a litre on milk)

    Defence RESIGNING UP BONUS + Submarine Bonus (danger money)

    Money to train staff (Retail Firms)

    Even Business has its snout in the trough.

    Regards Errol 43
     
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    If they cut that submarine bonus you would have a fleet of submarines tied up in dock for 12 months a year :)
     
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    Tell me again why we need submarines?
     
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    A submarine is not just a classic anti-convoy/anti-trade weapon, but also a cruise missile delivery system, and 'Special Forces' delivery vehicle etc.

    But above all, she is a anti INVASION weapon that can up the ante for our peace loving Indonesian, or even INDIAN brothers. They must then expend LOTS on anti sub capability to protect all that shipping.

    The quickest, easiest and CHEAPEST ($2 billion a copy) solution is to put an order in for about 6X USS 'Virginia' class NUCLEAR hunter/killers, for a lot less than 12x 'Collins' types.

    Will never happen until we get a Government with a backbone.


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  20. errol43

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    This Government might well be on the right trail as far as subs go. Japanese sub with a super quiet engine from Sweden...Even the Yanks were impressed with such a sub that they leased one for 2 years and were amazed by their performance.. Kicked the ass of the nuke subs.

    OC go on Youtube and have a look.

    Regards Errol 43
     

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