Genesis Mining - A test case study

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  1. SilverTounge15

    SilverTounge15 Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Stoic is a genuinely well known and respected member of this community...

    And i doubt he would put his reputation on the line to make a few measly bucks of members here in this community....

    We are all looking at other options and are all entering this new world of crypto's and looking to expand into it after tasting sweet sweet successes with bitcoin...

    So i for one am grateful for the information provided simply because i was curious how returns would be with Genesis mining because i see their ads everywhere, these companies don't mine for suckers they mine for themselves but spread their risk... For example they dont take any more contracts for Bitcoin because they spread their risk enough and want the rest of the bitcoins for themselves... Such companies are making 1 million a day on Bitcoin alone...

    Anyway thanks for the info Stoic....

    Cheers
     
  2. Eliassamaha

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    Alright I gotta give my .02c dash payments are $1 a day etc not much different

    On the plus side the rise in monero and dash gave me about 40% of my investment back

    The only hope now is if etc pumps

    There's is potential to make money but you had to be early

    I know Cj will be real happy about this

    The issue is their not paying accurate amount according to difficulty luckily I paid with a credit card so I've opened up a disputed hopefully I'll get my money back
     
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  3. Court Jester

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    obvious scam is obvious, at current prices and difficulty levels there is no way anyone in here who bought into this is going to see a return

    meanwhile my actual physical mining hardware has paid for its self allready and is making me a nice little sum each week.
     
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    The Network Hashrate for DASH has gone from about 10TH/s in mid-July to about 200TH/s in mid-October.

    That is a x20 increase in the space of 3 months. No wonder the profitability of DASH mining contracts with Genesis has plummeted.

    If I had to guess I'd suggest that with ASIC miners for x11 coming on the market like Baikal they have killed mining profitability for the smaller players - just like what happened to Bitcoin. The price for DASH has gone up, but not by 20 times.

    DashHashrate.png
     
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    What do you reckon about mining I've got 2 x L3+ asic miners and 1 a5 X11 dash miner the problem is they're being hosed but they're having serious delayes

    I don't know if I should sell the miners or keep them with the hostess the electricity is .033c or bring them home and try mining myself

    Mining will start maybe November December if I was to keep them with host
     
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  6. BuggedOut

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    I'm no expert, but in your shoes I'd definitely be checking to see how much I could get for selling the X11 miner. At this rate it is likely to soon be worthless.

    As for the others, if you can get electricity that cheap....well it's a LOT cheaper than electricity in Australia so unless you've got a good deal on electricity...?
     
  7. Eliassamaha

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    I got in gigawatt's ico I get a discount rate .033c
     
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    Sorry I don't know enough about it to give you any informed advice.
     
  9. Court Jester

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    is that 0.33 cents or 33 cents per Kw/h
     
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    its not just dash its Eth and all coins they offer difficulty has skyrocketed prices have dropped and with Eth in particular there is teh ice age bomb comming later this year that will make difficulty skyrockett again.

    I ahve been mining for years these miners are never ever good value long term vs just buying the hardware and doing it yourself.
     
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    A lot better than your comprehension of when 2019 is fuktard
     
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    Why are you white knighting in here court jester? You think no one but you can understand Genesis mining and you have to warn all of us gullible idiots? It looks like you are trolling because why would you take delight in someone else failing if it doesn't return his investment? Thats a bad personality trait to have.
     
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    I have a DASH and a Monero contract bought earlier this year and both have now paid for themselves. Probably would have been better off just buying currency outright, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

    The fact is, these contracts are in profit. Genesis is not a scam IMHO
     
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    When you say that they have paid for themselves
    do you mean in fiat or in coin/altcoin

    Is it not just that the coins mentioned have rallied strongly
    in fiat that created this profit, if the coins had not rallied would
    you still show a profit at present

    cheers
     
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    In fiat. The contracts were priced in USD.

    Hard to say what it'd be like if the coins didn't rally. You could argue that if the coins were stagnant then the hash rate and difficulty might have been stagnant too. That could have preserved the coin mining rate and thus profitability.

    That said I probably won't invest in cloud mining again. I made a profit, yes, but there are better ways to invest IMHO.
     
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    Hard to say what it'd be like if the coins didn't rally. You could argue that if the coins were stagnant then the hash rate and difficulty might have been stagnant too. That could have preserved the coin mining rate and thus profitability.



    I would not call Genesis a scam, so I agree with you there

    In this instance, you may have come out in front in fiat
    terms, but with the exponential rise in cryptos in the last year,
    having invested into "mining" cryptos, you would want to be
    hugely in front, not just better than breaking even in fiat

    Any fiat thrown at any crypto asset dartboard, should be up
    at least 500% in fiat terms in the last year

    What you really should be is better than breakeven in
    crypto/alt currencies or even just the coin you mine

    Its just like mining BTC, you have to make more BTC back
    than it costs to buy the miner and hosting/elect costs in
    BTC, otherwise mining is a waste of time and effort and
    hodl is the best option

    IMO there are way too many variables in mining to
    fully work out potential profits going forward, but saying
    that, mining over the last year has been hugely profitable
    in both fiat and btc/alts

    You would have been down money on your contract
    if the coins price had fallen, and probably still down
    if the coins price had held steady, so being just ahead in
    fiat in a crazy huge bull market is not really winning

    So IMHO whilst it is not a SCAM, if you are only just
    ahead in fiat, there seems to be a lot of cream missing
    off the top, compared to actually mining yourself

    Who got the cream is another question

    cheers
     
  18. Phiber

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    Hashflare has some pretty profitable contracts on BTC SHA-256 right now.
    Only thing is whether they are a scam or not! haha
    There is this guy on youtube racking in over a $1m a year after fees from this hashflare contract.
     
  19. Stoic Phoenix

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    Did the math on the two tiny positions taken out as per OP - 85% ROI of initial investment 7 months into 2 year contract.

    Some initial thoughts of this test case study.

    In hindsight more would have been made investing directly into cryptos.
    Genesis not a scam as I certainly wont lose money.
    As investments was a pittance to me , or if you are Court Jester life changing amounts it was worthwhile to test it out.

    In conclusion I feel this short clip sums things up nicely with CJ being the aggrieved party in the orange tshirt.



    Merry xmas everyone
     
  20. Court Jester

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    Technically its foresight as you were warned in here not to buy into this scam
     

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