Freedom of Speech: As long as they agree.

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  1. JulieW

    JulieW Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    This is a worry. I despise the music, the style and the message, but the underlying authoritarianism, which is being applauded, is the thin edge of the wedge. If we censor, are we free?

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-13/australian-drill-rappers-onefour-battle-police/11779746

    Just a month ago rap group OneFour was on the cusp of making it.

    It had millions of streams, major label offers and was about to embark on its first national tour.

    Today half the group is behind bars, its manager has been prohibited from interacting with group members and the OneFour tour was shut down after concerns were raised about public safety.

    This is the culmination of an unprecedented operation by NSW Police.

    NSW Police told Background Briefing they had actively prevented OneFour from taking to stages across Australia. Sergeant Nathan Trueman wants the group's members to know they won't be performing in front of Australian fans anytime soon.

    I'm going to use everything in my power to make your life miserable, until you stop doing what you're doing," he said.

    "Every aspect of your life. I'm going to make it uncomfortable for you."

    Sergeant Trueman, an officer with the state's high-profile Strike Force Raptor, has been instrumental in the police operation against the group. He's even gone as far as requesting streaming services remove OneFour's music from their libraries — a request that was denied.


    According to Triple J's group music director, Richard Kingsmill, the situation is unprecedented.

    "I can't think of any Australian artists in the time that I've been following music whose gigs and tours have been cancelled," he said.

    NSW Police has gone to extraordinary lengths to stop the group performing and told Background Briefing it was willing to use powers designed to target outlaw motorcycle gangs and terrorists.

    But the use of such powers doesn't sit well with former NSW director of public prosecutions Nicholas Cowdery.

    "To see this sort of legislation sought to be applied in circumstances like this with a group of people want to come together to play music, that really is a perversion of the original intention of the legislation," he said.

    Police believe it is justified, claiming parallels between violent crimes in Western Sydney and the group's lyrics to suggest OneFour poses a threat to public safety.

    Who are OneFour rappers and what is drill music?

    OneFour is one of the biggest musical acts in Australia right now. Its members have only been releasing music professionally for the past 12 months, but it has amassed 27 million views on YouTube and over 30 million streams on Spotify worldwide.

    There are four official members of OneFour: Spenny, YP, J-Emz and Lekks. In music videos, they wear Adidas and Nike tracksuits, occasionally taking it up a notch with designer shirts and bags from Givenchy and Louis Vuitton. Two of the members — YP and Lekks — also wear balaclavas and facemasks.

    That's because the courts have issued them with non-association orders, prohibiting them from interacting with each other. OneFour even raps about it.

    The group is credited with being Australia's first drill rappers. Drill is a darker, grittier genre of hip-hop that can be pretty violent and lyrically confronting.

    In the UK, drill has become synonymous with the so-called "postcode wars", with rival groups from different suburbs dissing each other, sparking a cycle of musical retaliations, according to BBC Radio DJ Kenny Allstar.

    "A lot of drill artists talk about what they've seen, it's social commentary about what they're around, the content is more raw," he said.

    UK police have stopped some drill rappers from performing in public and had their music videos removed from YouTube, and they have convinced the courts to stop artists from interacting with one another and saying certain lyrics.​
     
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  2. JulieW

    JulieW Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    A long post above, but this clip is the sort of material and content that the police are shutting down.

     
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    If the police think they are going to win over the many people who feel disenfranchised and follow this music they have already failed, have strengthened these groups and have simply failed in engaging the very community they want to support.

    if you can’t listen you certainly won’t be heard.
     
  4. Jason1

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    nah they shutting them down because of this stuff not their music, ABC being full of shit again.
    they breached their parole conditions. after their gang which they are members of attacked people with bats, these are members of the band shown in the video below.They have been on a number of violent crimes sprees.
    https://www.news.com.au/national/cc...n-jail/video/dd58ac9d1f06f8d4ec5943c6a4239f0f

    They are crims and members of a gang, who breached their bail conditions which was to not associate with each other, not only that they bragged about breaching those conditions in their music, you've left out allot of information and so did the ABC.
    you can clearly see they are not nice guys who are victims, this is one of those cases where the crims are crying victim.

    the victim is the guy on the ground with his head smashed open from a bat to the head, while they grab his head smashing it while he is defenseless in a pool of blood.

    click the link above and see the whole video from two different angles and tell me again how they are being treated badly by the system.
     
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  5. Oddjob

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    Yep, this lot are POS. Cops are right to break this lot up and stop them from performing and inciting others.

    BTW, if you have to hide your face in public, it means you have something to hide so you probably shouldn't be walking the streets in the first place.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12...led-over-violent-brawl-in-rooty-hill/11768448

    OneFour rapper Pio 'YP' Misa and former member Dahcell Ramos jailed over western Sydney pub brawl
    By Jessica Kidd
    Updated 5 Dec 2019, 12:03pm

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    A member of Australian rap group OneFour has been jailed for four years after smashing a chair leg over a man's head during a pub brawl in western Sydney last year.

    Key points:
    • Justice James Bennett accepted Pio Misa had shown genuine remorse over his actions
    • Misa's former band mate, Dahcell Ramos, was sentenced to 10 years behind bars over the same brawl
    • The sentencing comes as the group was forced to cancel their national tour


    Rapper Pio Misa, 19, who is known as YP, was jailed over several charges including reckless grievous bodily harm after a violent stoush at the Carousel Inn at Rooty Hill last July.

    The Sydney District Court heard Misa was with a group of young men when they became involved in an argument with two other men in the pub's pokies room.

    The court heard Misa pulled a chair leg out from under his clothes and hit one of the men, Anthony Hayward, twice in the back of the head.

    Mr Hayward backed away before Misa hit him for a third time.

    In sentencing, Justice James Bennett described the back and forth between the two groups as "racial comments, perhaps extending to slurs".

    [​IMG] Photo: Pio "YP" Misa (right) was sentenced to at least two years jail. (Instagram: OneFour)


    He accepted that Misa had shown genuine remorse and his prospects for rehabilitation were good.

    But he also accepted the prosecutor's argument that only a custodial sentence would do and said it was "appalling behaviour and a vicious attack".

    "Punishment must follow," Justice Bennett told the court.

    Misa was sentenced to four years in prison, with a two year non-parole period, and will eligible for parole in December, 2021.

    A former OneFour member, Dahcell Ramos, was sentenced to 10 years prison over the same brawl.

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    Photo: OneFour cancelled their national tour after venues in Melbourne and Adelaide pulled out. (Supplied: YouTube)



    The court heard Ramos pulled a hammer from his jacket and hit another man in the head several times.

    He will be eligible for parole in September 2024.

    It is the latest setback for the Mount Druitt "drill" rap group, whose music videos have gone viral.

    "Just when we thought we were doing okay, we hit another obstacle," the band said in a statement on social media last night.

    "We know YP [Misa] would of loved to perform for everyone and he appreciated all the love and support you send him."

    The group last week confirmed they had cancelled their national tour after venues in Melbourne and Adelaide pulled out.

    OneFour's management said it believed the venues cancelled due to pressure from NSW Police.

    The band also confirmed another member, Jerome Misa, known as JM, was yesterday denied entry to New Zealand by immigration officials.

    "It has been a tough month and also a tough day," the band said in the same statement.

    NSW Police has previously denied exerting pressure on music venues to cancel the rap group's concerts.

    A police spokesperson told triple j's Hack last week said the decision to cancel their events were made by the venue.
     
  6. JulieW

    JulieW Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Don't misunderstand, I think the whole mess is appalling, BUT the police invoking laws to shut down the music is the action I take issue with.

    Actually the music is very secondary to the message, and the message is what the police object to:

    But the police disagree and Sergeant Trueman believes OneFour's music is inciting violence.

    "We can't reduce the risk by any other means, besides cancelling the concert," he said. "Essentially, we're saying that the music that they're promoting is inciting violence."
    And

    To the police, the cancellation of concerts and the disruption of OneFour's music careers aren't controversial. They are the kind of tactics the strike force would have used against motorcycle gangs.

    "If the Comancheros started singing a song and trying to call out and provoke the Hells Angels, and they wanted a concert, the public would expect us to shut that down," said Sergeant Trueman.

    And for the first time, NSW Police confirmed its role in actively stopping OneFour's concerts.

    "We are shutting down their concerts, but it's to stop the violence. We haven't had it since the concerts have been shut down," Sergeant Trueman said.
    The argument appears to be that concerts will attract warring factions and the lyrical content is incendiary. Though Adelaide is a long way from Mt Druitt and the NSW police have pressured interstate venues to close concerts.

    Freedom of speech may be an incidental issue to some, but I think the police are well and truly overstepping their role.
     
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    they Breached their bail conditions which was not to associate with each other. they are crims in a violent crime gang, they are treated like a gang because they are a gang.

    why the f--k do people feel the need to defend frigin crims all the time?
    thats not defending free speech its defending criminals who were told not to associate with each other in a court of law and who broke those conditions.

    no point listening to anything on hack, they are full of shit half the time and leave out the important details that suit them selves, which triple j are heavily invested in this rap group, its biased spin.
    if they werent part of the triple J discovered alumni they wouldnt be so kind to them.
     
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    Not in the slightest. Watch this lot in action and tell me if you were a venue owner would you allow this lot to perform? The cops are doing what needs to be done to keep law and order / the public safe as this lot and their friends are not intent on obeying the law or living life without having a negative impact on others who just want to live in peace and quite which a lot of people in Mt Druitt want to do but can't cos POS like this lot are gangs......

    Video gets real interesting from 7 mins onwards when they start talking about ambushing the police etc.

     
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    They look like arabs.
     
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    It's real mixed grill in that part of Sydney. Pacific Islanders, middle easterners (mostly Lebs) and anglo trash trying to look "hectic bro" and fit in cos they have no drive to better themselves and move on....the "dole" (aka unemployment benefits) is more attractive than a pay check.
     
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    Regardless of what they've done, shutting down a group who's music is that bad is a great thing.

    With a bit of luck, simply having a coppy any of their rubbish will become a serious crime.
     
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