Free market regulation

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  1. bordsilver

    bordsilver Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    :lol: Yes. Government child safety services around the country have a stellar record of performing in the interests of the most vulnerable members of society. It's not a lack of bureaucracy or of resources available to, say, hypothetically, check that the temporary guardian that is being paid to be a child's ward isn't a convicted sex offender who sexually abuses them on their first night. Most departments around the country have a toxic culture that is more concerned about covering their own arses or fighting internally than actually providing a service to the children placed into their care. Better governance is definitely required but given the waste and mismanagement it requires a clean-out right through to the top. It does not require yet more resources to be thrown into the black pit of DHS. Licencing and screening are only partially effective methods at best and are more about protectionism (and arse covering) for the privileged insiders.
     
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    And as far as I know, you have to have a clearance from each state you want to work in. A nurse I know has needed to get these from 3 states so far.
     
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    Or not charge for the screening process. :rolleyes:
     
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    Surely a user-pays system is the fairest way of recovering the costs of screening?

    Are you saying someone other than the individual receiving the accreditation should pay for it? Sounds very socialist to me.
     
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    Tell me about it. It costs $230 P/A for the privilege of having a licence to fix air conditioning on vehicles. Re-registration consists of going online, self certifying yourself by ticking boxes and punching in your credit card details. Value for money or what?
     
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    Mate, it's both an example of the financial hurdles that government put in place when they regulate and an example of how the government raises revenue under the guise of making the world a safer place for everyone. :|

    A user-pays system for voluntary accreditation would be in the best interest of the free market. This allows comsumers to choose the level of accreditation that they wish the carer to have, with a resulting cost savings which is passed on if this is one of the criteria that a customer would be using to assess the different services on offer.
     
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    Basically all that regulation and associated fees are nothing but taxes with excuses.
    Rather predictable because... what is State?
    An institution that strives for being paid regardless what they do, inclusing and especially nothing and harm, without suffering punishments / consequences.
    Much like the mafia and any organized criminals.
    They inflict you havoc/loss, enough as to give you not much choice.
    Then they come to offer you protection against it, at a price.
    Put end to end and you can clearly recognize a license to steal, written by, and granted to, a thief. :D
     
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    hawkeye New Member Silver Stacker

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    Public sector workers have bills to pay, mortgages to pay. Inflation keeps going up you know. They have to have commensurate cost of living increases in their salaries. That money has to come from somewhere.
     
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    In my country, the average monthly pension/retirement fee of a public worker is over twice the one of a private worker. Yes, the average. The money for both comes from the latter.
     
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    And just in case you thought that on the whole parents were best placed to raise their own children:

    All the "expert" women quoted had a financial stake in a government funded industry - whether it was a university position, child care centre owner or childcare umbrella organisation. And just in case any of you with infants had any preconceived notions that you had the capacity to act in the best interest of your child even if you have no formal qualification:

    And finally:

    Ummm, why do your kids need day care if you don't go to work?
     
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    Went on a pub crawl on Tuesday, arrived at the last drinking hole at about 3pm, decided to have a shot of spiced rum no ice. The young bartender asked if I wanted a nip or a shot, confused I asked for a nip in a shot glass, she told me I can't have a shot of rum because shots can only be sold after 8pm, but I can have a normal glass with a nip in it. I said to her that makes sense, I'm 51, how would I be capable of knowing what's in my best self-interest? Thank the government for the Nanny State.

    She looked at me, smiled and gave me the drink.
     
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    Is that right ? They have no idea creating a law that has a huge hole in it .... priceless stupidity. You should be thankful ,your old enough to remember the pubs not opening on sundays & then sessions on sundays in QLD. Those were the days .... We just used to go to the army base to buy takeaway beer on sundays it was open everyday .( think about it the general population couldnt buy beer on sundays but the people protecting our country could be pissed as parrots ) so the stupid laws have been around since the 70s
     
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    In the ACT it was restricted to certain "high risk" bars. When I wanted a nip of scotch without ice, I was informed that that was still classed as a shot and they weren't allowed to serve it after <whatever-it-was>PM.

    I asked whether this stupid rule also referred to having to serve Cognac with ice (the horror :O ) To which, they said it was apparently ALL spirits. After some discussion he put a spoon in my whiskey glass, dropped an ice cube in which I then lifted straight out with the spoon.

    Getting double shots to avoid having to line up at the bar for 5-10 minutes were also banned but he could sell me two glasses :rolleyes:
     
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    What I don't understand is why when regulators (i.e. the Govt.) increase taxes on things such as alcopops & cigarettes its because they want to decrease the public's participation in them...

    but when they increase taxes on income & productivity they think it will do the opposite....
     
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    ^^ :lol:

    Just fkn awesome.
     
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    bordsilver Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Recent AFR op-ed by David Leyonhjelm on our beloved ACCC regulator.

     
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    ^^ Do you have link for that Bord?

    I'm starting to like this guy. I wonder if he has always thought this way (libertarian) or whether it is a recent development for him.
     
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