Free Market absolutists, I want to see you defend this...

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  1. Jason1

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    Like I said, if we taking morals out of it, and look at it from business only.
    they tried to play the game, they got fucked and lost to the big boys. seems like a good example of capitalism to me.

    for the original topic

    Im pro free market, which is why I dont give a shit these guys got shut down by another business. they arent the geniuses they are being credited for being on the business side. they got fucked, if their plan only extended to ebay and amazon then they are half retarded, in a free market you need more than just one option or have the ability to adjust, they are victims of them selves business wise. They were completely free to go find another way to sell their product, It turns out their business model sucked.
    Being a free market, ebay and Amazon can tell them to fuck off if they want to, even if they feels its fair or not.
    Being a freemarket they arent exempt from criticism from the general public or back lash for the perceived asshole factor from their scheme, so they failed on being able to sell their product and also keep up public relations.

    But Still they are greedy pricks which just ads to the suck shit factor now that they are crying about it.
    So putting my freemarket hat back on, all I see is two greedy dickheads who are as thick as two bricks, crying about playing the game and losing.
     
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    Revisit the definition of capitalism. Losing to the big boys is not an example of capitalism.

    They lost because someone got on their moral high horse and pontificated. They lost because someone sought to impose their value system on another. They lost because eBay was protecting their corporate image and were worried about the fallout. They lost because eBay figured that it would be better to cut a small profit opportunity than risk the loss of much larger profits because of the morally outraged.

    Anyway, are you going to explain for the viewers at home what exactly is immoral about the whole episode? Is it immoral that there were people out there who were willing to pay inflated prices for a good because they were in fear and wanted to try and protect themselves and their family. Is that the immoral bit? Or is it immoral that 2 blokes saw a potential to profit by selling goods that people in fear desperately wanted and couldn't get elsewhere?

    Or maybe the immoral bit is now those people living in fear can't satisfy their need to protect themselves and their family because someone else decided that they shouldn't be paying the prices for goods that they wanted?

    Did I say they were geniuses? Not me. Morality in the free-market should extend as far as property rights ie freedom from aggression upon both person and property. Beyond that those that seek to impose limits as to how two or more individuals engage in economic activity are at best virtue signalling and at worse sociopathic.

    If you think you are free-market then you're kidding yourself.
     
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    mate they lost because their business model sucked, they couldnt find another way to sell their product? Come on.
    they got their arses kicked by having a very flimsy business model which was pulled from under their feet by two of the biggest capitalist multinational companies and they couldnt adapt.
    no two ways about it.
    If the Government had of said to these guys they werent allowed to sell then you would have a point, as that is true interference in a freemarket.
    I could think of dozans of ways they could have moved their product along with out having to worry about either of those companies.

    as for the moral element of their business model, I dont think I need to rehash that, ive already mentioned my thoughts on it two maybe three occasions, Ive lost count
     
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    With the exception of the government bit none of the rest interests me.

    It was your virtue signalling that interested me.
     
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    Can't argue with that. Ebay and Amazon are free to set whatever rules they like and those guys are free to leave and create their own selling platform.
     
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    lol. do I redeem my self on the virtue part by not given a fuck what you think?
    as is purely my own opinion as you have your own on that topic.
     
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    Yet you insist you’re pro free-market, despite your values.
     
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    yes.

    I can have values and believe in free market, Because I can separate what I think is fair morally vs what is considered fine in a free market.
    I still have the ability to say wow that guy is an arsehole with the way he is doing business, but at the same time say well he has the right to be an arsehole in the way he does business.
    Just like how Ebay and amazon have the right tobe arseholes in the way they did business with those two arsehole Han san guys. lol
    still doesnt change the fact they are greedy pricks and shit business operators.

    Just because you believe in the right for people tobe cunts if they want, doesnt mean you believe people should be cunts. Neither does it mean you lose your right to call some one out for being a cunt if you feel they are being one.

    Not that hard to understand I would have thought.

    Free market is free from government interference, Free market also allows a business to chose who and under what conditions they chose to deal with other people in, weather you agree with those conditions or not. both parties have the choice not to deal with each other.
    What are you advocating? Ebay and Amazon be forced to deal with two guys they dont want to deal with? that wouldnt be very freemarket would it?
     
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    This is more an example of people acting irrationally out of fear.

    The sellers were actually providing a service by supplying items that were otherwise unavailable. Is that immoral? Is making a profit wrong? If you answer yes, then what’s your position on all types of other investments?
     
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    I have no idea, I don't know them. They could be looking after 12 orphaned kids for all I know. Or they might have their eyes on that red Lambo in the car dealer's lot down the road. That's why the free-market should be free from interference, because no one can be sure that they understand what is in the best self-interest of another. :)
     
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    What am I advocating? A market system free of the old dogma that we've inherited from the Church and those in positions of political power that would have our business conducted according to their moral code.

    Challenging those who justify their support of intruding in the market based on archaic ideas such as greed, envy, gluttony or any of the other 7 deadly sins is a start. And you weren't alone in doing this in this thread.

    The platforms are their property so they can choose as they see fit.
     
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    Wow you finally see the point Ive been making the entire time in regards to Ebay and Amazon.
    Bit late to the party but welcome
     
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    o_O

    Mate, as I said before I wasn’t interested in that part of the debate. I’ve been an advocate of private property rights long before your face showed up on this forum.

    It was your comment around greed that I was addressing. A comment that has no place in a free-market.
     
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    Edit actually, this debate is stupid.
    debating with people like you who only see black and white is like putting your pecker in a blender, its pointless and painfull
     
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    Debating with people who have no rational and consistent basis for their opinion also has bones in it.
     
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    Honestly man I think your just debating the topic for the hell of it.
    I see this often when you have people who agree with what is being said but dont like to look like they are following so they debate the opposing side for no reason. I think thats where you fit in on this and now your clutching at straws.
    your trying to fight a debate you know is wrong and your hole is getting bigger.
    the lack of rationality is likely on your side.
    as for consistency I said the same thing 10 times as you are to dense to understand my position, but maybe you were just going fishing and you got a bite

    think your shit fell apart hard when you went on some weird tangent about 7 deadly sins, fuck knows what that was about.
     
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    Isn't that pointless afterwards?

    :D
     
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    What's to defend? You think hoarding and being greedy only happens in Free Market societies? You think behaviour like this doesn't happen in communist/socialist countries? You seem to be blaming the free market for what is in fact human nature. In a non-free market society the same stuff happens, it just has different rules.
     
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    That’s why you don’t get it.
     

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