Folau believes only one thing...

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  1. serial

    serial Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    so if I was employed by you and was well known as being in your employ then I assume that you would have me in a position that requires me to represent you company. one would also expect that your contract with me would have a code of conduct clause (I have worked in business development and have signed just this before)
    if I breech the terms of my employment with you then you would have cause to enact the termination of the contract under said clause.
    The issue here is that he did not have any clause relating to his online social media conduct something acknowledged by both parties.
    so using a more accurate analogy, if I was working at your abattoir as a meat packer and I posted this on social media on a private account then you found out and fired me and my contract does not stipulate how I must conduct myself in my private time online then yes I would sue and I should win.
    But using you example how is my theoretical example any different, it is a gross over reach of corporate power to essentially own people both during their employment hours and outside
    having said that if both parties willing engage in a contract stipulating social media behavior and one party breeches said terms then I have no problem with the contract responding appropriately.
     
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    Clause or not, I would terminate your employment.

    Then we would go to court to get a finding.

    I wouldn’t own you, I own the job I offer you. If your actions damage my business interests I’ll terminate my job offer.
     
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    EG - Dismissal based on Facebook messages deemed fair (Colwell v Sydney International Container Terminals Pty Limited [2018] FWC 174

    Fair Work holds firm on manager sacked for “grossly offensive” Facebook post (2014)

    Manager who sent “aggressive and abusive” LinkedIn emails loses unfair dismissal bid (2015)


     
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    You missed the important part of that ruling
    employer validly dismissed an employee in circumstances where the employee sent a sexually explicit video privately to 19 work colleagues through the Facebook Messenger app (Messenger).


    Its a sexual harassment case, clear cut
     
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    so if i work at Kfc, i gwt home, order McDonald's through uber eats and share my order through my Facebook page kfc should be able to fire me by your standards and consuming food from a competitor damages kfc business interests by a while meal.
    Its a slippery slope when we start supporting the modification of contracts after the fact because 1 party wishes to "protect" their business interest as perceived by them.
    Now my example is at the extreme end of the spectrum but this is a boiling frog issue and IF for all his faults has decided to draw a line in the sand.
    For that i respect him and the way the media and "inclusive" left have attacked him and anyone who dare support him so violently so that they are terrified of him.
    I hope he continues to defend this and forces Rugby Australia into bankruptcy.
    I still hate them for what they did to the western force
     
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    You act in a manner that I consider damaging to my business interests then I sack you.

    We go to court if you think you have a case to argue.

    End result? Everyone is better off for the ruling. The world moves on.
     
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    Pastor Brad Chilcott had some wise words.

    I had a short chat with Ali and Dave on ABC radio this morning about the Israel Falou shambles. Someone told me I sounded quite sad...

    Here's what I would've said if I there was time to expand on my initial thoughts:

    There's such a strong focus in the Christian scriptures on love, compassion, justice and bringing down barriers between people groups, it's always disappointing when people use their public profile to instead use scripture to divide, exclude and judge others.

    Christians who were donating to the GoFundMe page before it was shut down seem to be responding to the idea that that the freedom to practice their beliefs is at risk.

    Christians are not being persecuted. Freedom of religion is not under attack.

    Someone using their public profile - and breaking their employment contract - to make LGBTIQ+ Australians feel less than others, less welcome, less valid, less accepted - as they have been made to feel for so long by society and religious organisations - has been told by their employer that this isn't the kind of view they want to be publicly associated with. Israel Falou decided to broadcast his non-acceptance anyway.

    I am so glad that more and more institutions like Rugby Australia are making this stand - and I wish more churches could join them in saying that no matter who you are - whatever your gender, sexuality, culture or ethnicity - you're equally worthy of inclusion, opportunity, love and full participation in our society and our faith.

    We know that the language of leaders in our society and in our faith communities affects people. This kind of talk especially affects young people of faith who know what will happen to them if they are open about their sexuality with their families or churches. We know that young people with diverse sexuality or gender identities are harmed by the attitudes and practices that go along with declarations of God's displeasure and eternal punishment.

    More simply: we know exclusion, shame and guilt are harmful. We know people are suffering - and young people are dying - because of leaders who promote ideology like Israel Falou and the Australian Christian Lobby.

    Someone put it very simply once - this is a religion based on the example of selfless, sacrificial love for others. If we know what we're doing is harming people - we need to stop.

     
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    Do you mean Pastor Brad Chilcott, the founder of non mainstream church activate masquerading as a religious leader to push his activist agenda stating that christians and freedom of speech is not under attack when it is his organisation leading the charge!?!
    Yeh he seems like a good person to listen to, he has engaged in the same gymnastics as you, apparently IF is stating that certain people would go to hell in the afterlife is promoting "exclusion, shame and guilt are harmful. We know people are suffering - and youngpeople are dying - because of leaderswho promote ideology like Israel Falou and the Australian Christian Lobby."
    It would be like vegans attacking other people for eating meat despite it having no real impact on their life
    Oh wait thats right, its ok to tolerate other peoples life choices except when they are conservative, Christian or traditional. Then you should have them fired, defunded and executed in public.
    You know, the same persecution they are claiming is inflicted on them
     
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    If the leftists ever get into complete control of a country, they are far more wicked and evil than any other group. Do you ever notice you never hear the citizens of socialist or leftist countries singing the praises of such leaders/policies? Think China, NK, Venezuela, etc. The citizens always look scared $hitless, which they probably are.

    It is always the leftists in "free" countries espousing the joys and benefits of leftyism, etc. Too bad such folks don't get to experience the full wonders of living in such a paradise.
     
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    Don't forget the loving and caring National Socialist and Workers Party, (or NAZI party) who also called themselves Progressives.
     
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    great! a game of touch-footy
     
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    "Egg boy" used Go - [email protected]#$ - Me to raise funds for his legal defence :confused:

    That Greens horror Hanson Young used Go - [email protected]#$ - Me to raise funds for her legal defence against David Leyonhjelm o_O

    Israel Folau "uses" Go - [email protected]#$ - Me to raise funds for his legal defence but is shut down because he is a Christian just quoting The Bible,that to me looks like a clear case of religious discrimination.

    I hope he finds the $$$$$ and more $$$$$ to take the ARU and Go - [email protected]#$ - Me to court for discrimination,I don't see how he can lose.

    Maybe it is time to consider selling some of his real estate for the fight $$$$$ in the bank I would say.
     
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    The Australian Christian Lobby has started a portal so that Izzy can continue to raise money for his fight,it has already raised over $400,000 :eek:

    Go Izzy Go :D
     
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    ^^^^^^^
    Much more than that now !
    Should hit the required amount soon.
     
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    Apparently over AUD700k now. Fitz is a great salesman.
     
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    AUD850k now.

    Also, interesting that Netball Australia is taking a bland position on Maria's support of Israel. Guess they are better at sniffing the breeze than RA and some in the media. Also fund to read Liz Ellis try and walk back her twitter post in some fashion today.

    I await to see if Peter F files a new column taking aim at the ACL now.
     
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    It seems this has all backfired on gofundme, as Israel's getting more funding support than previously and in a shorter time. It looks like the Christians will no longer tolerate a Brother being fed to the lions.
     
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    [QUOTE="sammysilver, post:

    P.S. I write the above as an atheist but hold a Bachelor of Divinity and a Master of Theology from the University of Sydney.[/QUOTE]

    An interesting comment you made above the other day. Pls note that the following question is sincere and I ask out of a sense of curiosity.

    Did studying divinity / theology lead you to being an atheist or did you commence your studies as an atheist with intent to better understand belief systems, cultural and religious development through the centuries and the implications for the masses and society?
     
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