Fidel Castro Dies Aged 90

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  1. Court Jester

    Court Jester Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    watch the Michael Moore documentary
    Cuba
    s healthcare system is quite good, and provides a much higher standard of basic care than the American system
     
  2. mmm....shiney!

    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Michael Moore. serious?

    You've been taking fiatphoney pills? http://www.therealcuba.com/?page_id=77
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    http://abcnews.go.com/Exclusiva/story?id=3568278&page=1

     
  4. Court Jester

    Court Jester Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    lol you use a propaganda site set up to specifically put out false information and propaganda.

    how about linking a neutral source for your "proof"

    again the healthcare system in CUba is far better than the basic healthcare in the USA.
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    ^ why would anyone want to put out false information about Cuba other than the communist regime?

    :lol:

    I think your anti-US bias is on display yet again.
     
  6. fiatphoney

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    You are proven wrong, and you tell lies. That is your style.
    You shouldn't need to post ignorance, yet you do and get caught out.
    Feel free to list all Castro wrongs, go ahead, I don't care either way, it is not the topic I am discussing.
    The topic I highlighted shows when you are wrong about Cuba, you hide it by telling lies as above.
    That is your debating style, make an ignorant claim, shown to be wrong, then covering fact with lies as above.

    You post a few pictures of what is more likely to be a run down rural morgue than a hospital - no living people or staff to be seen. Americans should be wondering about the corruption in healthcare in their own country given the outcomes in Cuba with so little money. Now you have to admit health care ok given facts.

    The topic I am discussing is Cuban healthcare. Your rainbow lala logic has failed you yet again. So you must broaden the topic and tell lies, rinse repeat, that's the mmm dishonest way.
     
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    House,

    not certain but about 10 days in Cuba, and maybe the same in Nicaragua. Went to Nicaragua ("a workers paradise") to 'help with the harvest' and stay with the farmers family.

    They sure did, worked like slaves and lived like them, actually sleeping on a mat on the dirt floor. I think they were happy to return to the downtrodden life in capitalist Australia.

    Had to dig deep to get the story out of them.

    We have a family friend who is Cuban. Went to the Ukraine to go to University and finally ended up here. His parents did the trip to Florida in a leaky boat and settled in Louisville, Kentucky. Parents in their 70s in and still working as cleaners to buy food. Saving to get BACK to Cuba, just cannot make it is the USA. They can buy a run down 'house' for $5000 in Havana.


    OC
     
  9. Court Jester

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  10. mmm....shiney!

    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    :lol: bet you read the first two paragraphs and nothing else :lol:

    There's no contradiction.

    Here's one quote for you:

    Now if you go to the Real Cuba link I posted earlier you'll find that her experience matches that of the other site. The information about the mythical Cuban health system is nothing more than State propaganda, lapped up greedily by those who have romantic fantasies about the Cuban revolution. But don't worry, you and fiatphoney are not alone, there's a host of other "Useful idiots" who are also more than willing to spread the lies. http://www.therealcuba.com/?page_id=68
     
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    Get a grip Jim. You can't acknowledge truth now? You would prefer people to argue against Castro with ignorance? Is this some kind of snowflake logic? The cotton-wool defence?

    Truth is its own defense on the scales of justice. We don't need to rig the verdict by hiding the truth from one side of the scales. Grow up or expect a corrupt media to arise to tell you sweet little lies about WMD or Syria. Amazing the front page hate for Putin when US wanted to take Syria a couple of years back, and the truth about ISIS today. There are many things that we must learn from our enemies, even if it shows up our own countries short comings and corruption, such as in healthcare.

    In no possible way am I praising Castro by correcting ignorance. Little minds can be overwhelmed by freedom loving scales of justice that demands truth from both sides. Otherwise you entirely deserve a corrupt media such as the clinton news network feeding you slant poison. If you are controlled by hate and the associated propaganda, you cannot abide holding the freedom scales of justice. The verdict has and always will be decided for you, through inciting your hate. Grow up and expect journalism from journalists - reporting facts not propaganda that oh no seems to be supporting... hate focus of the day.

    Now continue on presenting the facts (not ignorance) about Castro, socialism or whatever, but leave me out of it unless you are a liar wanting to make me say things I have never said.
     
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    That's a solid reply, shame your views on the Cuban health system are formed by State propaganda.
     
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    From the BBC

    While the US has not formally agreed to work with Cuba, US Secretary of State John Kerry praised Havana for its efforts in West Africa.
    The US Ambassador to the UN, Samantha Power, echoed his sentiments, saying that she was "very grateful" to Cuba for its response.


    The island nation has so far provided the largest number of healthcare workers in the fight against Ebola: a total of 256, including doctors, nurses, surgeons and paediatricians, with another 200 expected to arrive shortly.
    While the US has provided 3,000 military troops, none of them provide medical assistance...


    Apart from providing treatment, Cuba's medical workers also help to locate Ebola victims and guide them towards clinics.
    An inscription by Fidel Castro emblazoned on a wall of Cuba's most prestigious medical school, the Escuela Latinoamericana de Medicina, sums up this ethos,
    "This will be a battle of solidarity against selfishness," it reads.


    Thus even prior to their arrival in West Africa, Cuba's healthcare workers believed that it was their duty to sacrifice themselves in the service of others, viewing themselves as true public servants, gladly volunteering and risking their lives to fight a virus that they had no experience of working with.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-29984688

    I have spent time with med students here in Aus, and first lectures tell them they are the cream of the crop, an attitude many take into practice. I have to have alot of respect for these 'socialist' doctors. Cuba's medical workers also help to locate Ebola victims and guide them towards clinics.

    Then there are the multitude of other medical missions that Cuba provides. Inspite of a crippling economic embargo. So one can get a view of the Cuban health system, from their actions in many many nation states.

    Reminder: I am talking about healthcare.
     
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    What has that got to do with healthcare in Cuba? Doctors overseas are no good to domestic patients.
     
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    and here are some more quotes from teh article you linked to:

    and

    Despite your trolling the facts remain that the Cuban health care system is in the top 40 in the world and Trump Will be president.
     
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    Firstly, you pulled the quote completely out of context and secondly, the US is not a developing nation.
     
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    This is such a good joke I had to bump it forward :lol:

    Thanks for sharing it with us mmm....shiney! great guy :)
     
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    Just goes to show what 60 years of isolation and trade embargoes will do.

    Looks like the mafia and the CIA never forgive anyone kicking them out and taking their casinos and defeating their agents.

    Ignore the reports from visitors and off the trails tourists who describe a population that is poor in material goods but have a strong sense of community and justice, abhoring exploitation.

    Starve the people and attempt to kill the leader wherever you can using whatever agency you can. Keep funding the exiled ruling class pining for the days of privilege and oppression.

    Ensure that the press reports the poverty and miserable lives of the inhabitants. Keep at this for 60 years also.

    Once you've starved them into submission, wait it out until your rapacious corporations can get their fingers into the country and put things back to the way you wanted them 60 years ago.

    The CIA and organised crime will be pleased as well.

    For anyone who actually is interested in why a revolution occurred this Cuban's viewpoint might be worth reading.

    https://www.quora.com/What-was-life-like-in-Cuba-before-the-revolution
     

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