Environmental alarmism

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  1. Shaddam IV

    Shaddam IV Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Never let science get in the way of a good scam.



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    petey Active Member Silver Stacker

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    With all this bushfire talk, it's worth noting that the Adelaide Hills hasn't looked this green for a long time.
     
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    And I bet Abbott makes the trains run late too!

    /grumble /whinge /moan
     
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    Awesome presentation.

    Thanks for the info on the sea level drop around the Maldives. In response to the question of the Maldives, I'd like to point out (Again) that the Maldivans themselves, you know, the people complaining about climate change, are busy chopping up the reefs that protect their islands from sea currents and associated wave activity, to make building material out of their coral reefs.

    Which makes their situation even more deplorable. Not only have their islands ended up higher compared to the sea, but they are the cause of their islands being washed over by sea waves, AND they blame the rest of the world for it.
     
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    Give it 2 months of summer heat and then tell us how the country looks.

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    errol43 New Member Silver Stacker

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    Over the entire shoreline of Alaska..The sea is changing as well as the ice.


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  7. southerncross

    southerncross Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Kivalina ,Climate change or stupidity ? make up your own mind.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/09/breaking-news-seventh-first-climate-refugees-discovered/

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    Source:http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/09/breaking-news-seventh-first-climate-refugees-discovered/
     
  8. AngloSaxon

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    LOL government inefficiencies at their worst.
     
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    Recent interviews with Kavalina residents comment that the ice that use to protect them has shrunk from being 3 m thick to less than 1m.. over the last 2 decades.

    SC..interesting history.. Now it seems like the US army is building them a wall to protect them at a cost of $16million.

    Listen to the local people, they will tell you what is happening in their neck of the woods.

    Regards Errol 43

    Don't panic, there will be no Environmental alarmism from the people who live and hunt in these waters.
     
  10. southerncross

    southerncross Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    No Alarmism at all, they just try to sue oil company's instead hey. I wonder who is paying for all the court cost's ?

    http://econews.com.au/news-to-sustain-our-world/us-court-refuses-alaska-climate-change-case/
     
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    Oh no doubt it'll end up dry, it's dry sclerophyll - it's of course the result by the end of summer.

    I'm just noting that Adelaide has had a heap of rainfall this year. No one ever sells a good news story. :rolleyes:
     
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    Petey.. Thats the way it goes. The southern states get most of their rainfall in winter while Qld, NT and NSW get the majority of the year's rainfall in the summer months. The fact that Adelaide is green is not a good news story nor is the fact that Qld is as dry as a bone. A flood or bushfire can turn that right around.

    Lets hope that you get more rain in the next three or four months and we get some up here in Qld, but not as much as we have had in the last few years on the coast.

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    A great insight into why Australia's bushfires are so fubar now a days (and since white settlement).
    All that forest just wasn't there not so long ago (geologically) and what was there was heavily managed. Take a look at the contemporary paintings of the time and listen to the explanations of how that environment was shaped and maintained by a people that understood it at the time, even the minimum fuel loads were used as a tool to enhance a good feed of meat.

    The last five minutes are a quite honest appraisal of where we are right now so far as our understanding of our environment sits with the reality of where we live.

    50 millennia of firestick farming left a patchwork quilt of ecological niches all over the country for a diversity of life. Thanks to the likes of the greens we now have a blanket of fuel covering every part of it just waiting for a spark of any type.

    It used to burn all year every year you stupid fucks, not once a year every twenty or so.

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sko-YDIULKY[/youtube]
     
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    Surely THE GREENS CAN't be blamed for all the fires prior to 1990.. They didn't even exist then. :)

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    Err sorry but they were called socialists/Communists before the USSR broke up. Now they are called Greens. A more accurate description that has been used is water mellons. Green on the outside but red through and through.

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    Thanks for finding that, SouthernCross. I can't remember who it was that replied to one of my comments about 3 or 4 weeks ago that there are more trees in Australia now than when Captain Cook or the 1st Fleet arrived.

    Very hard to explain it, and that video did a great job of it!

    In my readings of the early explorers, some of them, especially those still at sea with a long view,, describe vast clouds of smoke rising over the land as they charted and explored. They wondered what it was. It was the Aboriginals, burning the land.

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    And Blaxland and Lawson described rich grasslands with some timber when they finally crossed the Great Dividing Range. It's not quite like that today. There are many more trees.
     
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    southerncross Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Another reason groundwater levels are lower as well, a billion more trees sucking the moisture from the ground leads to a lot less runnoff into streams and rivers.

    Meanwhile you wont see any of this on the MSM

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-RvUedfKpk[/youtube]
     
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    [[The fire brigade must have had a hard time putting out bush fires prior to 1788. :)

    A lot of bush fires are started by lightening during storms.

    The bush fires could have burnt out huge areas during the summer with no one there to fight them.

    Regards Errol 43
     
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    That's the point you are missing Errol, there was not the fuel loads or large unburnt areas to burn, it was a mosaic of burnt , unburnt, recently burnt, new growth etc and varying types of open grassland and closed forest with a minimum fuel load, so a fire that did start through lightning or accident couldn't burn for days unchecked as it would invariably meet with a recently burnt or low fuel environment. It would be like trying to reburn your camp fire from the night before, you might get it going again with the left over bits of wood but how long or strong would it burn ?
     
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    5 million hectares burnt in Vic 1851 black Thursday fires.
    maybe we had no aboriginals
     

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