Debt Levy

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  1. SpacePete

    SpacePete Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    And the wifi node would be a giant green box full of arcane equipment with the energy requirements of a small house.
     
  2. Shaddam IV

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    But at least it would exist. Unlike the pretend NBN that Labor would never have completed even if they stayed in office until 2030.
     
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    Half a billion dollars for creating Wifi? That really isn't much lol.
    Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 made $775 million in 5 days. You'd think wifi would be more profitable lol.
     
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    And there's the problem with accounting for socialised benefits: it's very easy to put a dollar figure on patent royalties, but putting a dollar figure on "the existence of WiFi" is very difficult.

    That's why government funded "blue sky" research is very important. Nobody in the private sector would ever outlay hard cash to fund Australia's dung beetle research program. Yes, that's a real thing and it's created hundreds of millions of dollars in value for our agricultural sector since the CSIRO decided to it would be an interesting thing to look into.
     
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    Said it before - given a third of all resources created by the productive sector of the Australian economy are handed over to the gubbmint and given that the gubbmint people are just everyday people (they aren't magical scientists or brilliant entities that know what people actually want or should want) you bloody hope that they'd produce at least something of value. Being against government funded CSIRO does not mean people are against CSIRO, the people within CSIRO or the scientific research that they do. And if CSIRO can't produce useful outputs that cover their cost of existence then something is seriously frickin wrong. If they can, then there's absolutely no need for them to be government owned. Every dollar spent by CSIRO is a dollar that could be used elsewhere.
     
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    "And if CSIRO can't produce useful outputs that cover their cost of existence then something is seriously frickin wrong. If they can, then there's absolutely no need for them to be government owned. Every dollar spent by CSIRO is a dollar that could be used elsewhere "

    Really? Do you think research into anything will be right first time & make a profit ? especially when theyre developing something new Its trial/error & countless manhours & resources that many businessmen in their right mind wouldnt touch with a stick
    While i agree they maybe dont spend money wisely i think any privatisation will be the end for them. The things they do require money & lots of it . Theres a multitude of other govt departments i would shut down before the CSIRO .
     
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    that's the problem with Democracy, even people like reno get a say. :p ;)
     
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    & dont forget a vote . I could even start my own political party ..that would be interesting maybe it can be called the capitalist pig party ? where we serve dolphin burgers for morning tea ur welcome to come along for a free feed :p:
     
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    BHPB, Rio Tinto, Intel, Google, Microsoft, Volvo, Unilever, Nestle, Virgin Galactic, Space-X, 3-M, Bell laboratories, Apple, Origin, Haliburton, etc etc all undertake research with risky outcomes or no known goal in mind with countless manhours and resources used. Life changing research comes from everywhere not just out of government funded research. Government funded research itself does not exist in an isolated bubble and piggy-backs off past privately funded advancements (and vice-versa). To say that valuable CSIRO programs won't ever get funded is to deny the existence of entrepreneurs, venture capitalists or people like Bill Gates setting up not-for-profits like the Bill Gates Foundation. Just like any of these other businesses, if they sink a billion dollars into something that goes absolutely nowhere and there's still no end in sight with no-one willing to risk new money then maybe they should be shut down and the ideas shelved. This would allow resources to be devoted to things within reach and potentially bring about breakthroughs that subsequently allow the past research to be developed further at low cost and high benefit. This has happened countless times in scientific advancement.

    If I could selectively choose the merit order, then I would also shut many other departments before I shut CSIRO. But CSIRO has massive amounts of waste as a result of the business model they work under. For starters, they are sitting on a heap of highly valuable real estate which they cannot monetise and reinvest back into their business. If they could actually operate more like a private entity they could sell some, consolidate their sprawling sparsely populated enterprises in decaying antique buildings and reinvest into upgrading their facilities to reduce ongoing operating and maintenance costs and they'd obtain a larger pool of resources available for true science. If they weren't beholden to public sector bureaucracy as much they could also cut a massive amount of dead-wood pen pushers and focus their resources on real science.
     
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    It's not Gov't funded research, the Gov't has no Fkin money except that which it takes from taxpayers.
     
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    If its free I'm in. But you'll have to pay for the airfare for me and the missus too, we'll stay in one of those units of yours. :D
     
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    Reminds me of football supporters a bit, they proudly shout about how they have been loyal to the same team all their life.

    When you point out that since they started supporting the team, all the players have changed, the manager has changed, the owners are different and the sponsors are different, they don't understand what your point is, the team name is still the same.

    You point out that the players are not trying to win to make our lives happier, they are not doing it for the supporters, they are doing it for the money, if another team offers them more money they will just leave.

    The fans never stop to re evaluate the team if something changes. If the team gets a new manager they just endlessly debate amongst themselves as to whether he is better than the last one. Happy to blame the problems on the last manager.

    Personally I don't support any teams, but every year I go and see if my insurance company is still meeting my needs and providing the service they said they would. If they aren't working hard enough I change insurance companies. These are just the people pretending to insure my house, how much more care should you put into your choice of the people pretending to run the country.
     
  13. mmm....shiney!

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    This skirts the issue, basically what you are suggesting is to tax a previously tax free organisation in order for the government to squander that source of revenue as well.

    If we are talking about getting serious then its time to remove income tax and company tax.
     
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    Yes your correct about all those companies most also fund the research with funds from existing product sales.
     
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    Perhaps this should be in JOTD

    Looks like PPL wasn't a 'core promise'
    LOL

     
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    Abbott and Hockey banged on endlessly about the budget crisis and yet he still made all these promises. Funny, now he's reneging on them since being elected.

    He's a typical politician, a BS artist, a liar and a fraud.

    Get rid of this fraud and there will be plenty more waiting in the wings from all parties and all backgrounds.

    Hang around for 5 years and we will be talking about the next lot of political scum sucking the life out of taxpayers.
     
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    Flying thick and fast. Must be a Budget on the way!
    :D

     
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    BullDust

    Te NB was allready being built

    Malcome and the libs are the ones that have taken a wrecking ball to the NBN and have delayed it 10 years or more and we will get inferior technology that will ahve to start being replaced once it is finished.
     
  19. Big A.D.

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    I wonder if the FBT lurk on salary packaged cars to support locally made cars will continue after the local car industry ceases to exist...
     
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    "Already being built". Yes. Within 30 years of completion? No.

    When Labor disintegrated and was thrown out of office do you know how many NBN subscribers were signed up in the Northern Territory?

    Five.
     

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