cuflinks by cropp & farr

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  1. Lenny7888

    Lenny7888 Member

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    Hello I just got these cuflinks today made by cropp & farr which I believe were retailed by Cartier
    Can anyone give me a price they are 18k gold 14g in weight and date to around 1920 thanks


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    18K = 18/24 pure purer 750/1000

    Can't read the hallmark well but the leading crown says gold alright. Assuming the top mark is 18K.

    The last letter is the year (its a Birmingham hallmark if the second mark in the bottom row is an anchor) looks like the leaning R date letter which is 1966-1967. it does not look like the 1920s mark, Can't read the two middle marks.

    Check it here

    https://assayofficebirmingham.com/send-us-your-hallmarking/date-letters


    Spot value (all the likes of me would care about)

    14 g @ 18K = 10.5g pure gold

    Spot price now
    1199.05 USD
    31.1034768 g in a troy ounce = 38.55035267311338 USD a gram

    10.5 * 38.55035267311338 = 404.7787030676905 USD

    Now I would by a personal rule never pay spot always a little less. Some pay spot, some spot + a premium. The likes of me would not care who made them.

    Generally jewellery new has a 100% retail margin on it - so 800 USD retail to 1200 depending on how high margin the business is. If collectable or desirable at retail it could be a 200%-300 margin easily (Tiffany).

    Looking through auctions the brand does not seem to attract bids in its own right e.g

    https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/17892562_a-pair-of-9ct-gold-cufflinks-by-cropp-and-farr

    http://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/a...0059/lot-03faefda-1727-4214-a902-a40200fb9a96


    So you would be doing very well IMO if you get 600-700 for them on ebay. You won't get a lot more than 450USD from anyone who is just after the gold.

    I may be missing something to do with the desirability of the brand and the age may make a difference - but it looks like you may be in the 1960s and not the 1920s.

    Enjoy doing your own research. I'd look at completed auction results once you have the date right.

    How much did you pay for them?
     
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    Hello I believe your correct leaning R so 1966 stamps are crown 18k anchor have been researching the ones that have sold the anameled ones are around 1000 gbp I'm in the UK and payed 220 gbp so a good deal
     
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    You are up 60 quid at least then with fair odds of doubling your money if you are patient via eBay for 500 quid. You can't pay to much heed to retail jewellery pricing - the margins are massive, if you paid that 1000 and walked back in the following week to sell it back you would be lucky to get offered 50%. Nearly all retail operations need decent margins to deal with banks (very important to lenders when looking at retail operations) and the retail jewellery trade is high margin low volume. I'm no expert in collectable vintage jewellery though so enjoy yourself looking at the auction prices on similar.

    General observation on vintage art deco 1920s pieces is that they tended to be made without regard to the expense of the materials and work involved, I guess reflecting the boom times and market for luxury goods leading up to the 1929 crash gurus on jewellery valuation I have dealt with are always hunting for 1920s vintage pieces and pieces with rose cut diamonds.

    I value any pieces I have as bullion (lost in a boating accident) just on weight and carat although some of them are very interesting...e.g. a fully articulated 18K fish with ruby eyes, pieces with old cut old world emerald etc. I do the same with coins.

    Depends on your personality I guess. I would undervalue holdings on plain spot price and rather get a pleasant surprise then a disappointment if liquidating. Either way I never pay more than spot and enjoy scores like the one you just made with those cufflinks.
     
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    This is a better picture of the stamps
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