Capitalism is good

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  1. -j-p-shmorgan

    -j-p-shmorgan New Member

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    Isn't corporatism just a branch off of capitalism? I mean, it's basically the same thing...
    ...big money trying to accumulate more & more money...and it's never enough...
     
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    No. The answer is in that documentary if want to to watch it.

    Some other benefits of that system are - no poverty, little to none crime related to money/greed, more peaceful world with no greedy wars, ect, ect.
     
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    You really haven't thought this through have you Skyrocket, do you honestly think that before people started using money there was no crime, poverty or greed?!

    Before condoms people only had sex with people they loved?
     
  4. mmm....shiney!

    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Corporatism is a system that only functions within the confines of a state. And the organisations involved in this corporate state don't even have to be traditional businesses as we know it, they can be any large group, trade union or lobby group with the desire to influence the direction of government decision making.

    Capitalism on the other hand is a system where the means of production are privately owned.

    The glaring difference between the two is that one involves itself with policy in an attempt to profit, the other with production. In respect to refugees in Australia, corporatism attempts to solve problems by influencing government decision making ie throwing more money at the problem, restricting intake quotas, the use of the Navy etc etc whereas capitalism recognises the issue, sees an opportunity and arrives at a plan where all parties (refugees, cafe owners) can profit.

    The customers too would profit as they would get some vicarious satisfaction that they are a part of a solution - and most likely not even realising that it is capitalism that is providing the opportunity. :lol:

    Edit to add: just had a quick look at The Venus Project link, it is an example of corporatism.
     
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    SpacePete Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    From some actual research on refugees and capitalism fro the British perspective:

    There's far more in the linked document, far too much to add here.
     
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    Before there was money there was little to no law (so lots of crime and greed), people also mainly had to gather their own food in that time too, so your answer is not right as it is not with today's time. It's you that has not thought this through.


    And it's NOT my thought or idea. It's Jacque Fresco idea in that documentary you have not watched because if you did you would know the answer. The guy is a smart/good man and he has been pushing this idea for over 40 years now but do we have the wisdom and goodness to do it? Nope. Here he is on Larry King in 1974


    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBIdk-fgCeQ[/youtube]
     
  7. mmm....shiney!

    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Author doesn't understand the difference between capitalism and mercantilism.
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    I agree with the suggestion that companies use governments to exploit the vulnerable.

    However while I agree with the suggestion that giving governments too much power has lead to massive abuses of power, I disagree with your contention that the solution to this problem is to give the government more power in order to save people from the crises that they create.
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    @col, I like your edited post better than the original. :)

    Marxists recognise the improvements to human life that capitalism has provided, but to them it is only a step toward the socialisation of all productivity. It's a concept that is based upon the assumption that ultimate human happiness can only be achieved through collectivism.

    By the way, there is no such beast as the "imperialistic stage of capitalism" to which the author referred and used as the basis for his claims.
     
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    How so? It seems more like a modern version of Marxism to me.
     
  12. mmm....shiney!

    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    I'd agree it is marxist, but corporatism is "non-denominational" if you like. The venus project attempts to influence the decision making process of government.
     
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    OK then. What evidence do you base your 'reckon' on if you haven't spoken to any ?
    The results of a survey conducted on refugees asking them why they want to come to Australia?

    Or is your 'reckon' simply your biased opinionated assumption based on nothing of any substance ?


    And yes, if you claimed to know why criminals commit crimes then you would have to have talked to criminals or use data from someone else that talked to criminals.
     
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    You made an opinionated assumption that I haven't spoken to anyone knowledgeable or investigated any statistics/data on the matter.
    Do you really think a refugee is going to openly admit to coming here just to sponge? :rolleyes:

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...are-for-refugees/story-e6freuzr-1226050094427

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...ees-is-worse-than-fiction-20120729-2369z.html
     
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    What I find curious is why haven't millions of Indonesians and PNG residents, living in poverty, jumped on a boat and sailed over ?
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Because there are not enough cafe owners willing to crowdfund in order to raise the capital to employ immigrants? :cool:
     
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    Because it's not a war zone?

    Maybe Afghanis and Iraqis are unemployed because most people probably don't want to hire people others perceive as terrorists?

    I think that if we're happy to let our government destroy another country then we can't complain about people fleeing a terrorist organisation filling the power void we've created.
     
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    No it isn't... Corporations get bailouts if they get into financial trouble...Capitalists go bankrupt and leave the small Capitalists holding the baby.

    Regards Errol 43
     
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    I was up in the Cape a few months ago and have a mate still in Qld Health working on the Islands up there, and can assure you PNG nationals (dunnoh about Indonesians) routenely cross the Torres Strait to get access to Qld Health facilites. Birthing mothers, T.B. cases, Malnutrion, Leprosy, parasitic diseases. Most of which are cheaply and easily cured and few would begrudge their treatment. However they are getting tougher on this... for instance New mothers and their new borns are put back in the tinny the next day and sent back.

    http://statements.qld.gov.au/Statement/2013/7/24/pngqueensland-border-unsecured
     
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    You might enjoy this from Mish:

     

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