Couldn't have put it better myself,the leave vote was about getting back control of our country & becoming masters of our own destiny/taking a risk. If you take a good look at mainland Europe & have 1/2 a brain you will see there are massive problems there all brought on by the EU bureaucrats. If things over the next couple of years aren't too rosy so be it, the electorate who could be bothered to vote did & the result was clear. Bye bye Brussels, the elite in the EU are now terrified other countries will follow suite & are likely to try & make things difficult for the UK. If they do so be it we have overcome worse than the unelected dictators in the EU before & will do so again.
Sovereign nation doesn't mean automatically democracy. Matter of fact apart from the EU, North Korea is also one of those regions where no election is held for the topmost positions. Giving up right to vote, or to disagree in any form is one of the reasons the EU is dying. Sooner a country leaves now better their prospect in the future once the entire EU project falls apart.
Absolutely disgraceful the remain campaign using that poor woman's sad demise to further the remain vote. But the electorate saw through that sick attempt to garner votes for the remain camp. Up until her murder virtually no one had even heard of Jo Cox & now the referendum is over she has completely dropped off the radar, makes me sick that remain would stoop so low. Anyway no point getting wound up about that we won & I'm looking forward to the next few years & beyond with optimism,I'm sick of the sados of the remain camp & institutions like the BOE etc trying to talk the country down. Job done lets go forward & get on with things.
You see, that is your problem right there AD, YOU think people are stupid unless they agree with your perception of reality, as do a lot of progressive types. OH' I don't think people really knew what they were voting for, Bullshit! They wanted a country that they live in to decide for ITSELF what it's future is and not some unelected Bank appointed unrepresentative oligarchy deciding their future for them. I doubt you would be making the same argument if the vote was remain, no doubt you would be reveling in the fact that the right had had their noses rubbed in the result and a call for any new referendum on that basis would be rubbished. Face the fact M8, the People have spoken and it is what it is. Wave good bye to your socialist experiment, it was always doomed to failure.
I think you have that backwards like most progressive libs. The progressive libs will come out like cockroaches at night and jump on a tragic shooting to immediately start pushing gun control for the masses. This move by the progressives will be countered by 2nd amendment supporters who wish to respond to the gun grabbers' arguments with their own, which to no surprise will be to support the right to own guns. I doubt any gun supporters were out celebrating the shooting or drooling over assault weapons because of the killings. I can't say the same for some progressive libs. I would say some progressive libs were DROOLING over the mass killings because it gave them a platform to push for gun control (which is really control of the people, not guns). The progressive libs didn't seem to notice who the shooter was or what ideology led to the killings. I've yet to see a gun on its own jump up and start killing people. PS Why don't we ban cars to stop drunk driving? Or ban alcohol to stop drunk driving? Your logic is no different than this. Just my opinion. Jim
I'm familiar with your arguments Jim. You are quick to generalise and accuse others of harbouring hatred, but a lot of your posts are full of insults and inflammatory language. As for your assessment of my logic, I respectfully suggest you have that wrong. Not least because you don't know what my positions are because I haven't expressed them fully on this forum. One reason I don't is because this is a trading platform and I don't want to poison the well. There might be some sickos who celebrate mass killings bacause they think it reinforces their stance (possibly pro- or anti-gun) but I am not one of them and nor is anyone else on this forum as far as I can tell. Nothing is gained by looking at the worst element (real or imagined) in any debate and judging the entire debate (or 'other side') based on that. My only point was that I thought (in my opinion, as you are so wont to say) that it was in poor taste to discuss and praise guns in a thread related to the gun deaths of dozens of innocent people. Agree with that or disagree, that is all I said above. The context was in relation to a quote (since removed) seemingly mocking murdered UK MP Jo Cox. Let's keep it civil.
Bet a ZILLION that no petition would have been suggested, or tolerated, if the IN vote had prevailed. 50% plus ONE vote would have been enough. The LAST thing the socialists want is a Democracy they cannot control, as Stalin observed. Poor losers! OC
"Nigel Farage warns today he would fight for a second referendum on Britain in Europe if the remain campaign won by a narrow margin next month.. In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. " - Farage" It seems to me that the above simply confirms what i have said. IF 'remain' had won, then THEY, the 'Remains', would not accept a new Referendum. 50%+1 vote would be unchallenged! Farage may have hypothetically wanted it, but he would not have got it! OC
If the EU is such a unified entity and Britain was crazy to leave it then why are France, Finland, Austria, Hungary, Holland and Portugal now discussing their own referendums on leaving the glorious Union too?
Yes, thank you for pointing out that the "Leave" vote won. What nobody has really been able to explain is precisely how the UK is going to be better off outside of the EU, other than "well, there's immigrants and stuff and we couldn't stop them otherwise because of Brussels". It's not stupid to want more of a say in how things are run, but all this means is that Britain wins with right to bicker amongst itself about the people who come into the country while all the businesses and capital are busy relocating to Europe.
^ is not wanting to be under the rule of the dumb EU dictatorship not a good reason? They done EU nations a great job of allowing all them foreigner freeloader scums in.