Brexit now being delayed by Cameron, possibly indefinitely

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  1. Stoic Phoenix

    Stoic Phoenix Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    ^ wont happen for a multitude of reasons
     
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    They aren't even in it ....
     
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    Boris is reading the riot act saying he will "sack" his fellow politicians who mutiny against his position to leave the EU with a no deal on the 31st of October and call a snap election if he need to to get his way,wow :eek:

    I am now officially nominating Boris Johnson for the Man of the Year :)

    Go Boris Go :D

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    The Book of Psalms Chapter 119 verse 72

    The law of Your mouth is better to me than thousands of coins of Gold and Silver :)
     
  6. systematic

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    They are not "in" the EU to leave it ... they are on the the pound sterling ... the public voted "leave" and the rest of it is oligarchy infighting ...
     
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    mrsilverservice Well-Known Member

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    If Boris is good to his word after losing control of the parliament the Poms are going to have another election over Brexit :confused: I reckon the market will like that "finally" bringing some certainty o_O

    But saying that forget about democracy with the original vote being 52 - 48 to leave :eek:

    The trouble is 75% of politicians wanted to stay,so it begs the question why have the vote to start with knowing that you will not carry it through if the "people" vote against your way of thinking :mad:

    Putting your faith in democracy today is like putting your faith in people that they won't abuse you on social media :D

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    Remainers claimed Boris was effecting a "coup" by proroguing parliament till 14 Oct. The actions of Remainers in the UK Parliament in wanting to overturn the 2016 referendum are just that...a coup against a democratic vote.
     
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    England is being held hostage by the ruling class,democracy is dead,to hell with the people :confused:

    England has become a complete embarrassment with cricket following the parliaments lead I hope :D

    Royal Britannia has finally sunk :(

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    The Book of Psalms Chapter 127 verse 1

    Unless the Lords builds the house they labour in vain who build it,unless the Lord guards the city the watchmen stays awake in vain :)
     
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    https://premium.telegraph.co.uk/new...phalism-boris-is-still-on-course-for-victory/

    Despite tonight's defeat, the PM will eventually get his election
    The Tory party is dead; long live the Tory party. The seismic realignment that was supposed to take place in 2016 is finally upon us, and a tougher, rougher, non-deferential conservatism is making its explosive debut.

    Ruthlessly focused on the public’s priorities, its ideology is complex. In some ways, it will be more pro-capitalist and pro-freedom: especially on tax, motoring and the nanny state. It will be more conservative on law and order, defence and immigration. In yet other areas, such as health and overall public spending, it will back a larger government, as we saw in a Spending Review that increased overall expenditure by 0.5 per cent of GDP over two years.

    But the biggest difference, of course, is that 31 years after Margaret Thatcher launched the modern Eurosceptic movement with her Bruges speech, her side has finally triumphed. Following the expulsion of the 21 most committed Remainers, Eurosceptics are in almost full control of the Tory party for the first time since the Fifties. If Boris Johnson’s massive, historic bet pays off – by no means certain – he will win the general election by scooping up a fresh demographic attracted by his domestic and European policies. He will then engineer a real Brexit, ensuring the period between 1973 and 2019 is remembered as a historical curiosity, an aberrant era during which the UK was conned into giving up its self-government.

    As such, Remainers’ triumphalism these past two days is misplaced. Their hatred of Boris Johnson and his adviser Dominic Cummings, their inability to look outside of the Westminster bubble and their obsession with the minutiae of process is blinding them to the true state of play. The Remainers may still win in the end, of course, but only if Jeremy Corbyn becomes prime minister, laying waste to everything else many of them believe in.

    Right now, Johnson and Cummings are still on a path to success, even if they have had to recalibrate their journey several times as obstacles have emerged. The situation is tense, the PM is feeling the pressure and much of the Cabinet is in a state of shock. But Boris hasn’t been “humiliated”. He hasn’t been “wrong-footed”.

    The semi-prorogation didn’t “backfire”: it flushed out his hardcore opponents and allowed him to expel them. He knew he would have to do something drastic at some stage and there was no way that those committed to derailing his plans would ever have been allowed to stand under Tory colours at the election. His party was already split de facto, if not de jure; he was always leading a minority government in all but name. The sackings merely formalised this.

    Part of the misunderstanding is that Remainers still see themselves as members of the natural governing class, with the Brexiteers as insolent interlopers. Such ultra-Remainers are so blinded by credentialism, by their hero worship of the likes of Kenneth Clarke – who, as chancellor, helped John Major gift power to Tony Blair – that they cannot understand why their removal actually helps Johnson.

    They see the purge of their favourite Tories as a terrible loss of talent, a cataclysmic blow to the credibility of the party, its final death even; yet to Leave voters, losing anti-Brexit irreconcilables, especially overrated establishment figures, is a huge step in the right direction and proof of Boris’s seriousness.

    In any case, the Prime Minister needs a party with a single message: every candidate will have to sign up to his plans. This will be the only way that he can fight off the Brexit Party. If he wins, perhaps with a slender majority, Johnson will need to be able to count on every one of his MPs.
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    Apt quote.

    And it maybe that the UK "House of Lords" saves the day. From what I hear from various commentators out of UK TV land, is that the House of Lords has different procedures to the House of Commons, with specific regard to amendments to a bill presented for a vote. Apparently each amendment needs to be debated and voted on etc. I hear the Brexiter's in the House of Lords have some 200 amendments tabled (could be more or less) and only limited time before 9 Sept to pass thee bill before Parliament is prorogued.

    Not sure of status of bill once Parliament is reopened mid Oct, but the Tory Lords are running a full defence to run the clock out on this bill prohibiting a No Deal Brexit.

    There's life yet.
     
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    Interesting analysis by Mish https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/econ...signs-javid-interview-KLZ-ykFJkE-SlgiXVxNLmw/

    TL;DR

    Select Sajid Javid Quotes
    • "We will leave on Oct 31"
    • "The Prime Minister will go to the October [European] Council on October 17 and 18 and he will try to strike a deal. He absolutely will not ask for an extension in that meeting".
    • "The law talks about October 19 ... should we get to that position we will look at our options."
    • "Of, course the government will obey the law."
    • "The prime minister will not be resigning. He will keep his promise to leave on October 31"
     
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    So good old Corbyn spent the last year or more talking up the need to go back to an election. Then when he has an opponent that is likely to beat him he’s trying to stall such an election from opposition because he know that it’s odds on that his political career will die with the result of Boris beating him.

    All the “humiliation” talk in the press this week has been hilarious. They’ve walked straight into his trap and he’s now purged the party of the remainders. Now they need to manoeuvre at all costs to hold off an election.
     
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    I think silver has a better chance of reaching $50 by year's end than Brexit going through this year. Those same powers that are intentionally destroying Europe and such by bringing in the beneficial "migrants" aren't going to let anything "positive" happen to one of their territories.

    Just like the Deep State was caught off guard when Trump won the election here, those EU leftists didn't think the Brexit vote would pass. Now they have to find a way to stop it. Just like the US Deep State did and are doing to Trump and his presidency since he won.

    Hell, we even had the FBI and Obummer Justice Dept. (maybe even the CIA too?) having to get involved to try and get Trump. Can it get any worse than that?

    I hope I am wrong about Brexit.
     
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    history repeating itself? many times it was europe that needed britan. the world wars come to mind. europe making it difficult for britan to leave would suggest this is still the case.
     
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    Reuters: "Queen Elizabeth approves law seeking to block October 31 no-deal Brexit"

    Attempting a effect a 'Hard Brexit' is now against the law.
     
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    FT: Johnson loses fresh attempt to hold snap election

    Boris Johnson accused Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour party of “preposterous cowardice” after opposition MPs blocked the prime minister’s second attempt to hold a snap general election to break Britain’s Brexit impasse.
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    Well at least they got rid of EU puppet Bercow:

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    Europeans view No Deal as inevitable and makes plans, while UK are having farcical debate.

    European companies have been shifting supply chain slowly over the years into Europe or other parts of the world.

    People will point companies like Airbus and say, where else will they build the wings, 100% Airbus is stuck in a rock and tariffs.

    But Airbus is running at 100% capacity and its buyers are corporations and have no choice to either buy Boeing or Airbus.

    Let’s look at cars...
    Can UK build a single car without parts from Europe? Doubtful
    Could Europe build cars WITHOUT a single component from UK? Most likely

    BMW builds Minis in UK and Europe
    If after Brexit, UK made Minis are more expensive than Europe made Mini, will BMW increase production in Europe and decrease production in UK, most likely.

    Will UK become like Australia, where no car manufacturers builds cars because it’s too expensive. Bearing in mind UK doesn’t have a major home grown Car manufacturer anymore
     
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    UK can get BMW to build for them from their plant in Russia
     

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