Brexit now being delayed by Cameron, possibly indefinitely

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  1. SpacePete

    SpacePete Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    If the existing arrangements were fine, I wonder why Cameron negotiated a new agreement? If the new agreement is nullified, and the prior arrangements stay in force, does that mean the factors that motivated establishment of a new agreement are no longer in force, or that they were irrelevant?

    These are the key points of the agreement that are now void:

     
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    SpacePete Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    I think it's still being fought out. As HoldMeTender mentioned above, it's going to be a shitfight.
     
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    Arguably the existing arrangements weren't fine, otherwise Cameron would not have felt the need to negotiate these additional terms. Cameron and the pro-Remain faction felt that by negotiating these additional terms, they would provide sufficient protections for the UK to remain in the EU, and thus were critical to the 'Remain' campaign. Further, these additional terms would only have come into force if the referendum outcome had been 'Remain' but now that the referendum has been decided in favour of 'Leave', these additional terms are moot and no longer in play.
     
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    After the exit Britain can just make its own deals and policies! Isnt that the whole point of becoming independent again?

    Companies that want to leave can, immigration can be slowed as much as they like.

    Payments to migrants children can be at their choice.

    I dont see how threats of the EU removing policies put in place while Britain is in the EU work as threats once they are out?

    Britain already has an alliance being part of the "5" Australia Britain Canada New Zealand and uSA and a pound Stirling is still worth more than 1 of any other currency and will be after the exit.

    The move to exit would be a much bigger headache if Britain had the euro instead of the pound.

    Denmark will be next.
     
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    SpacePete Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Its about the interim two years. Britain is still bound by EU policies until that point (or later if it is delayed).

    What happens from now until then? What will be the impact?
     
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    So much emotion involved in this situation. Can't these EU pollies behave like professionals?

    They're carrying on like jaded lovers. It really is looking like it will be a messy divorce, including some potential for financial warfare.

    I guess the EU is going to try and punish Britain over the next 2 years and beyond as part of an attempt to deter others from wanting to leave. Perhaps they think the more spineless in the UK will come to regret the vote and maybe the Brits resolve for Brexit will cave....
     
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    SpacePete Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    That's a good summary. It sounds so much like petulant retaliation and passive-aggressive threats.
     
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    SpacePete Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Look at this one. Tabloid scaremongering or realistic? Emotive statements could fan further social unrest and economic decline:

     
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    Merkel and the Presidents of the various EU councils doing this?

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    Here are some dates and issues to watch:

    * The petition calling for a second referendum will be debated in the House of Commons, but there will be no second referendum - the 'Leave' outcome will stand.

    * The British Parliament goes into summer recess on 21st July - less than 4 weeks from now. Some media reports suggest that by then, the Conservative Party will have a short-list of candidates to replace David Cameron as the new party leader - the bookies favourites are currently Boris Johnson and Theresa May.

    * Parliament resumes for a short session from 5th to 15th September. It's not clear whether the new Conservative Party leader, and hence new PM, will be decided by 5th September. If there's a new PM, there will be huge pressure on them to announce details of the Brexit strategy and timing; on the other hand, if Cameron is still PM, he's there as a lame duck PM, unable/unwilling to say anything of substance regarding the Brexit strategy. Awkward :/

    * The dates for the Conservative Party Conference are 2nd-5th October, when Cameron indicated a new PM should be in place.

    * When the new PM is elected by their party, they will announce the formation of a 'Brexit Task Force' and lead negotiator - perhaps Michael Gove? The Task Force will be directed to develop the formal Brexit Strategy, and once that's been approved by Cabinet, the British Government will formally invoke Article 50, and the 2-year clock starts counting down.

    * Some media reports suggest the amount of legislation resulting from Brexit amounts to about 10 years worth of legislation for Parliament to debate and vote on - but the critical pieces of legislation will be need to be in place within the two year period following the invocation of Article 50.

    * I think the wild card in all this is Scotland - if Scotland holds its own referendum on independence in order to stay in the EU, things are going to get really interesting! :/
     
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    Scotland! I just saw they may have veto rights!

     
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    Oh boy...


     
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    This is the problem with the EU.
     
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    Post offices in Northern Ireland are apparently now all out of Irish passport application forms.
     
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    The People had decided, the power is with the people.

    UK is free again, this is how you F the EU. :lol:
     
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    In related news, Australia will be holding a referendum next year to leave the AU.

    Vote bogan to become Stralia.
     
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    Perth and Tasmania should be allowed to be independent... the ACT should also be allowed to leave.
     
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    Celente dropping the act for once.

    I don't believe UK will leave, but the vote and market reaction would probably count as a "black swan" albeit a cygnet. The only surprise to me in the aftermath has been the 'get out quickly' response from Germany. As they say, nothing in politics happens by chance.

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhfPRMJoZmY[/youtube]

    "That's what I like about people. They stack so well."
    - Frank Underwood. House of Cards.
     
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    Very amusing. Haven't seen any of his vids before.
     

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