Discussion in 'Current Affairs' started by Skyrocket, May 3, 2015.
I'd say that referendum has a good chance of getting up.
She got that one wrong because very soon Trump will be the 45th president. Unless he is assassinated before he becomes president and the US breaks up before another person is elected which is extremely unlikely.
...and he said that John 23rd (I think) was going to be the last pope!
Probably not but it just shows the breakup sentiment in the US and how divided the nation has become over this election. My point was it is just a rolling snowball growing now to what lays years ahead.
Who would have thought how divided the US has become and the idea of a breakup when I first started this thread or in 2004 (my Meier book) or in 1987 when Meier first published that? People here laughed at the idea of a US breakup when I started this thread and now they are not.
In May 2016 Meier said that neither Clinton or Trump are suitable to be president and the foretold breakup of the US will happen. It's at the 2:28 min in this clip -
In 2020 when the US breaks up into 5 separate territories after 2 civil wars as Meier foretold I will add this to my sig with the other correct one.
I hope the US does not breakup but it's a forgone conclusion now.
Forgone conclusion? Won't happen.
Socialists have been hoping and praying for the "Death to America" thing ever since WW2. They have been predicting the US will be overtaken by Russia, ("we will bury you"), the "Asian Tigers", Japan, and now China.
None have come close, and China is no closer! China's population bomb will go off eventually and blow up in their faces.
Keep in mind that China's birth rate is about to DOUBLE!
We will finally have a World Series Baseball championship!
I bet you a 10oz silver bar that it will happen before 2020 is over.
Honestly? Are you in anyway honestly asking that question? All hail the enlightened Billy, his super duper intelligent and original alien buddies and their crusading apostle Skyrocket!
ke sera sera ..
whatever will be .. will be
the futures not ours to see
ke sera sera
Gee! You must be OLD!
I don't think there will be any "civil wars" in the US like the one we had before. The one we had before basically involved government to government disputes (feds vs. southern states).
I don't think there will be "race wars" either in the sense of a "war" where there are two sides fighting each other. However, I could see mass rioting/looting/pillaging taking place here if there was a big financial calamity and they cut off welfare and other gov payments to people. The folks that like to riot/destroy property now would really amp it up if they cut off the $$$. If it got really bad the rioters and such would probably head out to suburbs looking for victims. The mob would be a mix of races so it wouldn't be a black vs. white thing. The police would be overwhelmed so folks would have to protect themselves.
That's why I am such a big 2nd amend supporter. Not because I foresee fighting against my own gov (that won't ever happen because the "gov" (military and police) is made up of regular folks who I don't think would turn on their own people). Instead I worry about danger from some of my fellow citizens in times of crisis.
Just my opinion.
Unfortunately in Australia the politicians prefer to take away the guns from the law-abiding citizens.
You were blessed to get leaders like Thomas Jefferson - we get jokers like Jim Jefferies.
Here's a woman that fought back three armed intruders:
I see that you have mentioned MANY TIMES skyrocket that Meier pictures have never been recreated and this was 3rd down in a google search so i would imagine there is a tonne more.
This has gone above and beyond and there is no question that Meier is fake.
Thoughts or excuses?
You never seem to see a clear and definite pic or clip of anything supposedly 'alien'.
Always blurred, always too far away, sometimes just lights, sometimes just plates thrown like a frisbee!
Like this :lol:
Can anyone tell me where 'flying saucers" come from?
That is not a bust. If the experts in photography did an analysis on that fake UFO footage that person did it would come back as being fake. Proof? The person who did that would NOT submit it to independent scientific testing by the experts like Meier did. That is because they knew it would come back as being small fake models. But they post it on youtube and use it to call the Meier case a hoax and people believe it. Are the experts in their field dumb? -
Scientific Experts' Comments on Meier's Evidence
David Froning: At the time, Dr. Froning had already spent 25 years as an astronautical engineer at McDonnell Douglas in highly classified military defense and, in 1979, became interested in Meier's accounts of Plejaren starship travel, which mentioned tachyon propulsion. Dr. Froning found Meier's account of tachyon propulsion (which was only beginning to be discussed by a very small and select group of theoretical physicists), and his calculations for above light speed travel to be amazing. In 1983, he was pursuing his Quantum Interstellar Ramjet idea (JBIS vol. 33, no. 7, July 1980; AIAA 81-1533, July1981; IAF-85-492, October, 1985) and plugged in his Quantum Ramjet performance equations, assuming: a given starship density, vacuum energy conversion efficiency (in transforming positrons and electrons within the quantum vacuum into photons), and vacuum energy conversion scales of distance of the order of the Compton wavelength. The resulting vehicle acceleration enabled achievement of almost light speed in about 4.3 hours and deceleration from light speed in about 4.3 hours. Meier said that the elapsed time during the "hyperspace jump" took only several seconds. Thus, trip time between the Pleiades star cluster and Earth with Froning's slower-than-light Quantum Ramjet Drive plus a hypothetical tachyon drive would be 8.6 hours, which was within 20% of the Plejaren trip time reported by Meier. But, while Froning's calculations were based on many arbitrary assumptions, and in no way proved the truthfulness of Meier's account (since it was a theoretical system he was working on, only time will tell as to which are correct) Froning was somewhat startled that his arbitrary flight time computations were within 20% of the flight time mentioned by Meier. Regarding the Meier material, Dr. Froning also publicly stated that, "My colleagues and I may have made breakthroughs in our understanding of possibilities and ways for traveling faster than light from Billy Meier's accounts of his encounters with the Plejarens." He also said, "If what this Meier is saying is just a hoax, he's being cued by some very knowledgeable scientists. I've only discussed this Meier case with scientists who are fairly open-minded about interstellar flight, but I'll tell you, the majority of them think it's credible and agree at least part, or sometimes all, of the things talked about by the Pleiadians." (Pleiadians/Plejaren name of Billy ET contact friends)
Eric Eliason: U.S. Geological Survey in Flagstaff, Arizona, created image-processing software so astrogeologists can analyze photographs of planets beamed back from space, spent two years producing the intricate radar map of cloud-covered Venus acquired by Pioneer 10: "In the photographs there were no sharp breaks where you could see it had been somehow artificially dubbed. And if that dubbing was registered in the film, the computer would have seen it. We didn't see anything."
Robert Post: JPL photo laboratory for 22 years, was the head of that lab in 1979, and oversaw the developing and printing of every photograph that came out of JPL at the time: "From a photography standpoint, you couldn't see anything that was fake about the Meier photos. That's what struck me. They looked like legitimate photographs. I thought, 'God, if this is real, this is going to be really something."
Dr. Michael Malin: Principal investigator for the Mars Orbiter Camera on NASA's Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft at Malin Space Science Systems (MSSS), San Diego, CA. Analyzed Meier's photographs in 1981: "I find the photographs themselves credible, they're good photographs. They appear to represent a real phenomenon. The story that some farmer in Switzerland is on a first name basis with dozens of aliens who come to visit him ... I find that incredible. But I find the photographs more credible. They're reasonable evidence of something. What that something is I don't know." Malin also said, "If the photographs are hoaxes then I am intrigued by the quality of the hoax. How did he do it? I'm always interested in seeing a master at work."
Stephen Ambrose: Sound engineer for Stevie Wonder, inventor of the Micro Monitor radio set and speaker that fits inside Wonder's ear, analyzed the Meier sound recordings of one of the UFO's as it hovered above him. Not only was he unable to duplicate the sounds with synthesizers, he found they created totally unique patterns on a spectrum analyzer and on the oscilloscope. Another sound engineer named Nils Rognerud corroborated Ambrose's findings. Think about this for just a moment, these experts, using state-of-the-art equipment, were unable to duplicate the sounds and the unique patterns they generated.
Wally Gentleman: Director of Special Effects on the Canadian Film Board for ten years, director of special photographic effects for Stanley Kubrick's film 2001, had viewed Meier's 8mm film segments of the UFO's. Showed that the manpower and costs to fake the films were clearly beyond Meier's reach: "My greatest problem is that for anybody faking this" (referring to one of the photographs) "the shadow that is thrown onto that tree is correct. Therefore, if somebody is faking it they have an expert there. And being an expert myself, I know that that expert knowledge is very hard to come by. So I say, 'Well, is that expert knowledge there or isn't it there?' Because if the expert knowledge isn't there, this has got to be real."
Nippon TV: Did their own examination and also came to the conclusion that there were no models, special effects or hoaxing involved in Meier's films.
Marcel Vogel: Research chemist for IBM for twenty-two years, held thirty-two patents, and invented the magnetic disk coating memory system still used in IBM disk memories. A specialist in the conversion of energy inside crystals, Vogel probed crystalline structures with the most complete optical microscopic equipment available in the world - a system of scanning electron microscopes costing $250,000. Lieut. Col. Wendelle Stevens, USAF (Ret.): One of the original investigators in the Meier case. In 1979, he sent Vogel crystals and metal samples Meier had received from the Plejarens. Vogel reported, "When I touched the oxide with a stainless steel probe, red streaks appeared and the oxide coating disappeared. I just touched the metal like that, and it started to deoxidize and become a pure metal. I have never seen a phenomenon like that before." Of another metal sample containing nearly every element in the periodic table, Vogel stated, "Each pure element was bonded to each of the others, yet somehow retained its own identity." X-ray diffraction and spectral analysis revealed both Thulium and Rhenium. "Thulium exists only in minute amounts. It is exceedingly expensive, far beyond platinum, and rare to come by. Someone would have to have an extensive metallurgical knowledge even to be aware of a composition of this type", said Vogel. At 1600 X Vogel said, "A whole new world appears in the specimen. There are structures within structures - very unusual." At 2500 X he found that the sample was, "metal, but at the same time ... it is crystal!"
Vogel put the full weight of his expertise in these summary comments: "With any technology that I know of, we could not achieve this on this planet! I could not put it together myself, as a scientist... And I think it is important that those of us who are in the scientific world sit down and do some serious study on these things instead of putting it off as people's imagination." Again, here is another top-level scientific specialist who is unable to duplicate the material presented to him by Meier.
Japan's Nippon TV did an analysis and it all came back as legit, not hoax.
There are several pictures and films that are clear -
Notice Meier walked in front of the camera and then notice the unmistakable noise of the camera zooming in across the field.
Ah, the classic Wall-o-Text and Youtube video response from Skyrocket :lol:
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