Billy Meier: 2020 US breaks up into 5 territories due to 2 civil wars

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  1. Skyrocket

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    Just posting this now so if/when it happens no one here can say that Meier simply backdated it. This is the usual response that Meier skeptics always claim happened to all these 200+ correctly corroborated Meier prophecies so far -
    http://www.theyfly.com/corroboration-evidence Meier skeptics ignore the fact that all these prophecies were copyrighted in books before all those events happened, often by decades.

    So not much need for anyone to post anything here until 2020 or before then if events in the US start to unfold in that direction. (We are already seeing a police state starting to unfold there)

    If this event occurs just as Meier prophecised I gather people here will just claim it was a lucky guess, BUT, what are the odds of someone correctly guessing this in 1987 or even 2004??? Yes, more then remote.

    This is a Meier warning prophecy that will occur with certainty if the people/powers in the US do not take the right course of action to avert it but do they have the wisdom to listen to Meier with his track record? Nope.



    Billy Meier - The Henoch Prophecies

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    Contact Report 215, February 28, 1987


    "Yet the misery on Earth will continue, as two terrible civil wars will break out in America, whereby one will follow the other. Afterwards, the United States of America will break apart and deadly hostility will prevail among her, which then leads to the division into five different territories; and it cannot be prevented that sectarian fanatics will play a dictatorial role."



    I have solid proof of above prophecy from my 2004 copyright published book about Billy Meier called "And still they fly". In that book is Meier's prophecies called "The Henoch Prophecies" which is where I am quoting all these from.



    First here is the book still up for sale on Amazon and notice on front page it says it contains "The Henoch Prophecies" -



    And Still They Fly! Paperback February, 2004


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    http://www.amazon.com/Still-They-Fl...1442536907&sr=8-1&keywords=and+still+they+fly



    My book -



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    The copyright page -



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    And the page that mentions this prophecy -



    US breakup-min.jpg


    ^ There's the hard copyright proof from 2004. (but Meier first published that in 1987 ! )

    And in 2012 Meier published this which says the year this will happen to the USA is 2020 -




    Contact Report 544, September 1st, 2012


    Billy:

    "When I consider that which you already confided to me during my Great Trip in 1975, that, according to your probability calculations, the superpower USA could come to an end after 2020, if nothing in this country changes for the better by then, and if those who are the USA's allies continue to dissociate from that country, or even become open enemies of that country, then could Obama perhaps be the crucial point so that this can indeed still be prevented?"


    Ptaah:

    "That could be so, but also to consider is that which the Obama followers will do next and which internal and external policies they pursue, because this will also determine that which will happen after 2020.......................... ..........................And this political and government elite consists of both Republicans, as well as Democrats. Valuable reforms to the welfare of the population and the country are not sought. Thus the already profound poverty among the people continuously escalates, while the wealthy ever further enrich themselves, so that the social inequality gains ground ever faster. Thus, with a collapse of the USA, only two possibilities can be considered, whereby, with the one, it boils down to a dictatorship with evil reprisals and great Gewalt, while the other possibility may be a new reconstruction, if people who are fundamentally conscious of their responsibilities attain government and really do everything to bring about an effective and valuable new start. But whether this will actually occur, is currently extremely questionable, because presently, in a totalitarian manner, everything is directed towards interests which are economic, military, political and cultural as well as towards that which is strict fundamentalist religious-sectarian and based on enormous lies and devious, misanthropic, criminal and felonious machinations in every imaginable regard. This also means that the population of the USA is spied upon by the secret services and even severely within the neighbourhoods, and so forth, and, in every possible manner being restricted in its freedom, and this is in addition to the Gewalt, as it emerges in some form or other, both openly and covertly."


    http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_544


    I also posted the entire Henoch Prophecies towards the bottom page of my other Meier thread here -

    https://www.silverstackers.com/foru...russia-will-attack-conquer-iran-turkey.65845/



    Please check out these two excellent Billy Meier documentaries -


    Contact - 'Billy' Eduard A. Meier Documentary by Wendelle Stevens (1978)




    2007 - The Silent Revolution of Truth - Full length Billy Meier Documentary
    Writer/Producer - Michael Horn

     
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    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1d5Cxw9DJ0[/youtube]



    Billy Meier.


    BEYOND DUMB.

    How can anyone....anyone watch this absurd 70s nonsense and take this guy seriously.

    It looks like an Ed Wood movie.
     
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    Actually it makes allot of sense. To our eyes, the flying saucers look like crappy plastic and tin toys, but in a more advanced civilisation these vehicles are likely made in that world's equivalent of China. It also explains why UFOs can cross intergalactic space but fall apart and crash when they attempt to come to a stop on Earth... no compliance with local vehicle safety standards.
     
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    Bloody Alibaba again now they are all over the solar system and beyond.. First fake bullion....then defective hubcap like UFOs.

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaE7lm1ObGM[/youtube]
     
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    In Ken McLeod's sci-fi series "The Fall Revolution", the US eventually disintegrates, with the east coast from Maine to Florida remaining in the Union, the West coast or "La-La Land" as described by one of the CIA operatives remains on some near friendly terms with the East Coast, while the rest (the middle) are States run by nutjobs, Indians, militia, Mormons, White Right, fundies and whatever else you care to name.
     
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    If you bother to look deeper into the case you will find that NO Meier skeptics, including that one above, has EVER submitted their fake model photos/videos replica used to debunk the case to the same stringent laboratory testing as Meier's were tested at (video below at 27:20 mark) because they know they will show up as being fake models. Small models have sharp edges and far away objects do not. Simply count the pixels.


    Contact - 1978 Meier Investigation Documentary

     
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    If I wanted to waste my life on shite I could do better than this idiotic hokum.

    Get a grip man.

    Or at least tell me you are drunk or high or suffered a severe head injury.

    From any angle this is dated fake nonsense from a fraud.
     
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    For anyone who can access The Age (theage.com.au) there is an excellent documentary on Gore Vidal if you really want some information on the USA and it's futures.
     
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    It's crap if it's crap and not if it's not. ;) Time will tell.
     
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    The real reason.


    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-02/what-does-putin-want
     
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    Many of those 200+ has been debunked here:
    http://www.billymeieruforesearch.co...lculations/analysis-of-contact-reports-1-100/
    http://www.billymeieruforesearch.co...ulations/analysis-of-contact-reports-101-196/

    And more will be coming soon:
    http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com/prophecies-predictions-probability-calculations/

    Examples of backdating:
    Prediction of Asteroid 2003QQ47
    http://www.billymeieruforesearch.co...pproach_of_asteroid2003_QQ47_to_Earth_in_2014

    Prediction of MUFON
    http://www.billymeieruforesearch.co...ct-reports-1-100/#Arab-Israeli_Conflict_MUFON
     
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    I had a look at one of his 'books'. in it the 'aliens' were telling him that he was to important to do manual work (line 42 pg 18) and that was to be left to others in his cult and that the 'aliens' thought that cult members who had been expelled were traitors that should never be readmitted to his cult. In fact the aliens seem singularly focused on establishing a vicious and controlling cult.

    text is here

    http://www.billymeiertranslations.com/#downloads



    Seems beyond being a fraudster he was a nasty piece of work.

    What was his rank and unit in the FFL/Lgion trangre Skyrocket and what year did he serve?

    I have never met an honestly discharged Legionnaire so dishonourable and am therefore curious to know how the Legion failed with this man. I think the constant and seemingly deliberate references to the FFL in his biographies bring the Legion into disrepute and if in fact cannot be substantiated should be removed. If a cult wants to incite the name of the Legion in the mythology then they should be extraordinarily circumspect not to do so on false grounds.

    What date was he discharged from the Legion and on what grounds?
     
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    Mahigitam, I see your still promoting your Billy Meier pro and con material website again while you sit on the fence never stating your position whether you think the case is a real or a hoax! Surely after spending all these years researching the case you must have come to a conclusion by now? Still thinking? Come on, state your position here and I will gladly forward it to Michael Horn.

    You received much Meier material/contact notes for free from people in the case under the guise of investigation but you got ulterior motives behind creating your Meier website below -

    billymeieruforesearch.com
    "..researching and archiving both the pro & con evidence of the case."

    What your doing at your website is low.

    Honestly I think it's shady to ask for all kinds of information from people in the guise of "An Archive" of FIGU material, and then turn right around and use that info for a "New Skeptical viewpoint". Sorry but you can't be a proponent of the case and a skeptic at the same time.

    So Mahigitam is suggesting here that Meier is backdating all his contact notes. That's ridiculous and you know it is Mahigitam!! Michael Horn summed it up best to you -





    A post from Michael Horn (Meier's official representative) to Mahigitam at Billy's forum -




    Mahigitam,

    There's absolutely nothing wrong with being critical, skeptical and digging into the info and claims.

    If only logic did rule in this so-called investigation. But it doesn't.

    Let's take one item. I first read the "new" discovery that atom bomb testing was tied to ozone depletion in 1988 (http://theyfly.com/PDF/Horn_Proof.pdf). I'd already read it - in 1986 - in Meier's 1975 info.

    Since it was treated as a "new" discovery by science and the news media it seems clear to me that this info was provided to Meier well in advance of "official discovery". So now I'll wait for the "explanation" of why this isn't so.

    But people should be clear on what is really being asserted here by the skeptics. They're effectively stating that Meier falsified ALL the contact reports and/or backdated information within them. They are effectively stating that ALL of Meier's CRs are fiction, concocted by him.

    THINK about it. Either Meier did or didn't have these conversations and record the information accurately (which doesn't mean that someone couldn't have later accidentally or purposely altered some thingsbut hardly all of them). It really is about that black and white. After all, if Meier actually had those conversations, are we to believe that - in addition to everything else he accomplished - he took the time, energy and intention to selelctively go through them and insert information that he then credits the Plejaren with providing him?

    Talk about a genius! He'd have to weave this information in and do it so well that the rest of the conversations not only didn't contradict it but in many case contiuned itand sometimes were referred to and discussed in later contact conversations. And it would have to be - if we are to believe the skeptics - a real work of genius because he'd have to in some cases be slipping in information that of course was only "discovered" well after (years and decades) he'd already transcribed the conversations. And he'd somehow have had to hypnotize the Plejaren to go along with this deception, which is exactly what the skeptics are saying it is.

    As I said, as far as investigators go, these people are barely qualified. At no time up until the present have they ever responded to, or asked for clarification of, my pointing out that old "means, motive and opportunity" problem that haunts their fancy, sleight-of-hand charade.

    Now lest I be accused of being "negative", heaven forbid, let's have them address "means, motive and opportunity" and quite specifically the overall points raised above and even more specifically the atom bomb-ozone information...for starters.

    I will say it again,. When people have ZERO understanding of how real life, and real life investigation works, when they sit at their computers and "solve" such puzzles without really giving an ounce of actual thought to the matter, it's really comical to anyone who's had to seriously consider the factors at play.

    Make no mistake about it, they are asserting that Meier has hoaxed all of his contact information, which would require an effort so laborious, as well as brilliant, as to stagger the imagination.

    So let's see just how theyIMAGINE he did it . And let's finally have a discussion about real investigation and not just fancy, computer age sophistry. Means, motive and opportunity, please address it NOW , my skeptical friend.

    Michael Horn
    Authorized American Media Representative
    The Billy Meier Contacts
    www.theyfly.com






    Another post from Michael Horn (Meier's official representative) to Mahigitam at Billy's forum -






    Mahigitam,

    With all of this desperate flailing around, you still avoid the crucial issue - which would get you thrown out of "court" for doing so - actual EVIDENCE establishing means, motive and opportunity. Where do you show Meier's proven ACCESS to the information?

    So as far as "the parties disagree on the standards, criteria and the methodology", there are RULES of evidence, one doesn't have the luxury of making up their own rules.

    Pointing to similar statements, to someone saying "this MAY cause", to articles or books, etc. - that you were only just able to find through recent internet searches, etc. - still doesn't show Meier's access to the information. Please, PLEASE, show his accessjust like you'd have to do in a trial situation, not in your imaginary "he could have" world.

    Real life and real life investigation aren't justsitting in front of your computer making wild, unsubstantiated accusations.. - as I think you have really helped to make very clear to most people here.

    But now that you've painted yourself into that corner, if someone said that you have an article in your home that appears to be almost indentical to one that was stolen from their own homehow would YOU prove YOUR innocence? Really. How would you go about doing it?

    After again looking at Mahigitam's lengthy information, I am struck by something that he, in his determination to prove Meier a hoaxer, has apparently failed to notice, i.e. how much of an UNBELIEVABLE amount work would have been required by Meier himself to gather together all of the information, most of which was of course not available to him at the time - and woven it into these CRs.

    Now, considering the fact that the physical evidence has been repeatedly authenticated, the eyewitnesses huge in number (many of whom took and all passed lie detector tests), etc., etc., the singular determination of Mahigitam to make it all a lie and a hoax - which is, again, exactly what he's attempting - is most remarkable.

    All he has to do of course - ALL he has to do - is to prove that Meier indeed had the means, motive an opportunity, the access (let alone the time in the non-computer, non-internet age). Isn't it funny that, to date, we're unaware of any and all of the frequent, lengthy trips Meier would have had to have taken to acquire all of this, largely obscure other documentation? Or perhaps is THAT was he was doing on his sojourns with the Plejaren? Oooops, they really do exist!

    This is undoubtedly HUGELY frustrating for Mahigitam. Here he was setting himself up to be the "fastest gun in the west" butreality had other plans for him. What if HE had to do his researchwith only one hand - and he didn't have a computer - and had all the rest of the other demands on his time, as Meier did? Where would he find all of the obscure papers that published theories about things that Meier published as facts, which were only later corroborated?

    What if he had to re-enact the "crime"? What if he had to take the REAL time that Meier would have HAD to have taken, running around the world in search of all of this information - for reasons unknown? After all, Mahigitam points to the unlikelihood that scientists would listen to someone with a sixth-grade education. So why (let alone HOW, of course) would he do it and with what money, etc.?

    Honestly, this IS the kind of stuff that can drive an overconfident, covert, agenda driven person to insanity. They dare not considerreality. They dare not even attempt to deal with MMO. To do so is reduce oneself to a state of gibbering incoherence because the only logical, real world answer is thatMeier's telling the truth.

    Perhaps Mahigitam doesn't think the information in itself is all that remarkable. Still, he can't account for how Meier acquired it. Read his lengthy pages and you'll see how much he tries to force things together, while overlooking the HOW of it all.

    No, when it comes to making a case for something - more accurately AGAINST SOMEONE, their honesty, character and truthfulness - then you better damn well be able to absolutely answer the question that anyCHILD would ask, "HOW did he do all that?"

    And as you'll see, as we've already seen, Mahigitam doesn't have a clue. And that's because to try to answer it is to make oneself look more preposterous, since there isn't a reasonable explanation other than what Meier has given and certainly Mahigitam will do everything to try to conceal the fact that we KNOW that he certainly has NO explanation, reasonable or otherwise.

    This, my friends, is a work of art the likes of which our friend Mahigitam is most likely to be theLAST person to appreciate.


    Michael Horn
    Authorized American Media Representative
    The Billy Meier Contacts
    www.theyfly.com
     

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